The creeper rider

[Native]

Just for Aaron and Native..

mdub, you got a purty mout, did it work?

[#1Townie]

well if we're going to be asked to go up to 1%ers with "not cool", guess what, ain't going to happen. I would escort the lady to safety maybe

Meh.. I've done it. Not worried about them. But for a guy who says he doesn't know much about them you seem to have a very strong opinion about them.

[Native]

Meh.. I've done it. Not worried about them. But for a guy who says he doesn't know much about them you seem to have a very strong opinion about them.

lol, just what I've seen on tv

[Native]

oh wait, we did have hundreds of bikers in the springs years ago, maybe I'm secretly hiding out from that gang...

[Drano]

It also helps if you don't wear the same t-shirt to the meetings. You might be giving guys the wrong impression.

[Native]

It also helps if you don't wear the same t-shirt to the meetings. You might be giving guys the wrong impression.

nah, I have that shirt, it doesn't work

[The Black Knight]

nah, I have that shirt, it doesn't work

only works if you're a hot chick

[Native]

hey BornFree, maybe here's what's needed

[Drama2]

Ok I am speaking out. I find the unwanted comments happen when the man is uneducated on class, or he has never been bitch slapped hard enough to knock his teeth out or is uneducated on sexual harassment. I work in an environment where most of the people who come in are men, and they find my smile or act of kindness as a open invite to make some sort of sexual suggestion. Needless to say they do walk out of my office escorted by Federal Police after I have just gave them a sexual harassment knowledge form to help educate them and with out causing injury to them physically I cause injury to their pride of pure education. It is just lack of education....doesn't mean it is ok.

[Native]

are you possibly in the military? no offence, trying to help

[The Black Knight]

Ok I am speaking out. I find the unwanted comments happen when the man is uneducated on class, or he has never been bitch slapped hard enough to knock his teeth out or is uneducated on sexual harassment. I work in an environment where most of the people who come in are men, and they find my smile or act of kindness as a open invite to make some sort of sexual suggestion. Needless to say they do walk out of my office escorted by Federal Police after I have just gave them a sexual harassment knowledge form to help educate them and with out causing injury to them physically I cause injury to their pride of pure education. It is just lack of education....doesn't mean it is ok.

Good God what is wrong with the people you work with??

Just because a woman smiles, doesn't mean it's an open invitation for sex. Seriously?? are people that f**ked up??

I guess it's different in different types of work. I'm wondering if this type of behavior isn't more prevalent in office type settings. I myself work for the local government but what I do has me working outside. Granted, in my line of profession it is a male dominated arena. However, the females that do work along side us never(to my knowledge) have ever had problems or experiences with sexual harassment. Then again, I believe this has to do with the environment. We aren't couped up in cubicles or offices. We are out in the open and have plenty of space between everyone(when we do work with each other, most of the time I'm by myself in my job).

But see I think there is also a bit of a double edge sword. For women, they become uncomfortable when a man hugs them, touches them, invades their space. Men on the other hand, from what I know are the exact opposite. I have a female co-worker(not on my crew) but within my department, and when she sees me always gives me a rather vigorous hug, that tends to last longer than a hug should. But do I care?? Absolutely not!! LOL!! Because it's different for men. We just look at this kind of behavior differently.

As several of us gentlemen have made fun of in this thread. I don't think there is one straight man on this planet that would have a problem with women making filthy comments, hugging or groping them. I think if these sort of things started happening to men, we would probably start looking around for the hidden camera because these types of situations just don't come around often.

I will say that in my current career we take sexual harassment very seriously(being a government entity). But I remember back to my days in highschool when I worked at a local restaurant washing dishes. Several of the waitresses there made some off color comments about my ass. The funny thing is, when it happens to a male we just eat it up. I didn't for a second(this was due to my youth at the time) think that what was going on was sexual harassment. I just thought those horny waitresses needed something to talk about and I was their topic of conversation that day. Did I care?? Not in the least and I worked side by side with them for a couple years. The funny thing is though, I was raised by my Father that you don't say those sort of things to a woman and you always watch your language around them.

That's something I've had to curb with my seasonal workers that I get now. I usually get younger gentlemen that will work the Summer for me and I have to constantly remind them that foul language and dirty jokes are not tolerated in the presence of women. I tell them, if they are working with me and it's just the guys, give it hell and use any kind of language you want and drop the nastiest jokes you can think of cause we all love to laugh. But when women are present, clean it up and be respectful. Every now and then a few of them will be talking to one another about their sexual exploits, all within earshot of a fellow female worker. I have to take them outside and remind them of their behavior and language. Usually only takes one time and they get the picture.

[Drama2]

Native I am x Army and I work for Veterans....most uneducated, alcoholics, homeless and many problems. The majority of them are age 50+, which is why I feel the problem with the creeper that born described are a older generation that are uneducated like we are in today's work force. Black knight what you described is what I am used to work I g with when I was in the military, to me that does not describe sexual harassment, to me that just describes a bunch of men measuring dick sizes. What I am describing and what born I am guessing is describing is the guy who will consistenlty harass you because your not wearing a ring or question my sexual preference and then make some comment about how good I probably taste. This is what it is...
Joking around to me is not as long as it doesnt cross that creepy line as above.

[The Black Knight]

Native I am x Army and I work for Veterans....most uneducated, alcoholics, homeless and many problems. The majority of them are age 50+, which is why I feel the problem with the creeper that born described are a older generation that are uneducated like we are in today's work force. Black knight what you described is what I am used to work I g with when I was in the military, to me that does not describe sexual harassment, to me that just describes a bunch of men measuring dick sizes. What I am describing and what born I am guessing is describing is the guy who will consistenlty harass you because your not wearing a ring or question my sexual preference and then make some comment about how good I probably taste. This is what it is...
Joking around to me is not as long as it doesnt cross that creepy line as above.

wow!! someone actually commented on how you might taste. If he was referring to what I think he was, then that's an open invitation for you to blast him in the face!! That's a very inappropriate comment to make to a lady.

[Native]

BK - GREAT Standup, no more needs be said other than we'll look to you in the future
Drama - you set the stage for your interactions, for better or worse, it's in your hands. Empower yourself, you have the power to do good

[mdub]

........and then make some comment about how good I probably taste.

That is creepy.???!?!

[The Black Knight]

That is creepy.???!?!

it is, the more I think about it. It's creepy in a Hannibal Lecter or Buffalo Bill kind a way..

[mdub]

I missed that on the History channel. What did buffalo Bill do to be be creepy? tasted Buffaloes???

[The Black Knight]

I missed that on the History channel. What did buffalo Bill do to be be creepy? tasted Buffaloes???

LOL!! what didn't Buffalo Bill do that wasn't creepy. His whole existence was just being creepy.

"it rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again."

[Drama2]

I think the moral of what Born is saying is that we women are entering a male dominated sport and when a creeper comes at us, get our 6 because there are times when that creeper is told NO, but for some reason they dont hear us and we need our friends, co-workers, fellow riders to back us up. As you can tell there is a difference on how we perceive unwanted gesters and how males perceive it. I still think it all still has to do with lack of those creepers being educated and I have never had a problem with riding in groups, I always have felt like i am treated equally, it is a place situation.
Now the situation I discribed did happen, and I was the only female standing with 5 other males, they were talking when this male approached me, I did at first ignore his gestures and then I told him it was inappropriate and then finally I had to stand up and yell at him, slam my hands on the counter becasue he was not taking my NO the first 2 times in a polite manner. The only reason this male felt it was appropriate in the first place was becasue he felt a male bonding moment, I was soloed out as the only female and 5 other males. He left uneducated becasue not one of those males said something to him, so he will do it again until he becomes educated by a MALE.

[MarkT]

Good God what is wrong with the people you work with??

Just because a woman smiles, doesn't mean it's an open invitation for sex. Seriously?? are people that f**ked up??

Damn all these years I've had this screwed up. fuck me.

[mdub]

LOL!! what didn't Buffalo Bill do that wasn't creepy. His whole existence was just being creepy.

"it rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again."

ha that buffalo bill. Okay.....

[The Black Knight]

I think the moral of what Born is saying is that we women are entering a male dominated sport and when a creeper comes at us, get our 6 because there are times when that creeper is told NO, but for some reason they dont hear us and we need our friends, co-workers, fellow riders to back us up. As you can tell there is a difference on how we perceive unwanted gesters and how males perceive it. I still think it all still has to do with lack of those creepers being educated and I have never had a problem with riding in groups, I always have felt like i am treated equally, it is a place situation.
Now the situation I discribed did happen, and I was the only female standing with 5 other males, they were talking when this male approached me, I did at first ignore his gestures and then I told him it was inappropriate and then finally I had to stand up and yell at him, slam my hands on the counter becasue he was not taking my NO the first 2 times in a polite manner. The only reason this male felt it was appropriate in the first place was becasue he felt a male bonding moment, I was soloed out as the only female and 5 other males. He left uneducated becasue not one of those males said something to him, so he will do it again until he becomes educated by a MALE.

I agree with you Drama,

I think as long as you're with friends or males that will do the right thing you and other women will be OK. My advice as well is if something like this happens again in the future make a point of bringing it to another males attention. Sure you can unload on the guy and yell at him. But if you initially tell him no and he persists. Go to a male friend and ask them to step in on your behalf and have a nice little chat with Mr. Creepy. Many times this happens under our radar and we can't react until it's too late. As it is happening bring it forth to another male and I'd be willing to bet you'll see a much different result, than just the old wait for another guy to step in.

In this modern era of woman empowerment I will not get involved in a situation because some women may feel it as a bit of encroachment on their independent character. However, if a woman does ask for my help I'm more than willing to oblige and step in.

This ain't the old west where the hero rides in and saves the day. Modern thinking and society has removed that from men. The knight in shining armor won't spring into action anymore unless asked to do so. Which is why The Black Knight remains in the shadows and keeps a watchful eye on things from a distance lol!!

[The Black Knight]

ha that buffalo bill. Okay.....

lol!! that's the one I was referring too. Mr. "would you have me? I'd have me, I'd have me hard." While putting on make up in the mirror.

[Wrider]

I agree with you Drama, I think as long as you're with friends or males that will do the right thing you and other women will be OK. My advice as well is if something this happens again in the future make a point of bringing it to another males attention. Sure you can unload on the guy and yell at him. But if you initially tell him no and he persists. Go to a male friend and ask them to step in on your behalf and have a nice little chat with Mr. Creepy. Many times this happen under our radar and we can't react until it's too late. As it is happening bring it forth to another male and I'd be willing to bet you'll see a much different result, than just the old wait for another guy to step in.

In this modern era of woman empowerment I will not get involved in a situation because some women may feel it as a bit of encroachment on their independent character. However, if a woman does ask for my help I'm more than willing to oblige and step in.

This ain't the old west where the hero rides in and saves the day. Modern thinking and society has removed that from men. The knight in shining armor won't spring into action anymore unless asked to do so. Which is why The Black Knight remains in the shadows and keeps at watchful eye on things fro. a distance lol!!

I agree with this 100%. I've been yelled at by a woman for stepping up to a guy after she's told him no politely twice. Apparently my intervention was just as "chauvinistic" to her as the guy approaching her rather aggressively. After that I wouldn't even step in if she asked me.