HWY Shoulder Legal Question

[bulldog]

Yeah I suppose the law was just made for no reason then.... CSC scientists at work here...they should have just consulted you guys and saved tons of money!

I just posted the law segments, so you guys go argue with the person that signed it in

The California Highway Patrol authorized lane sharing to protect motorcyclists from carbon monoxide exposure and being rear-ended by other vehicles, and Camp Pendleton authorized the practice in 2009.

[#1Townie]

Yeah I suppose the law was just made for no reason then.... CSC scientists at work here...they should have just consulted you guys and saved tons of money!

I just posted the law segments, so you guys go argue with the person that signed it in

The California Highway Patrol authorized lane sharing to protect motorcyclists from carbon monoxide exposure and being rear-ended by other vehicles, and Camp Pendleton authorized the practice in 2009.

Hahahaha because California has proven itself to be so reliable with fact finding research before creating laws right? You do know Frisco tried to kick the military out of the bay right?

Bro 90% of my job is driving in Cali. How often are you there driving? I'm in Oakland almost every day.

And from what I remember its not about a rider breathing the carbon its about bikes putting out more carbon or some shit. They want the bikes to get off the road asap.

Simmer down dude.

Grim in love when you split my lane!

[big_sur]

Yeah I suppose the law was just made for no reason then.... CSC scientists at work here...they should have just consulted you guys and saved tons of money!

I just posted the law segments, so you guys go argue with the person that signed it in

The California Highway Patrol authorized lane sharing to protect motorcyclists from carbon monoxide exposure and being rear-ended by other vehicles, and Camp Pendleton authorized the practice in 2009.

I don't think there is any CA law authorizing lane splitting, it's just not prohibited. High school chemistry says you can't filter carbon monoxide, but the chief benefits of lane splitting are typically the reduced rear end motorcycle fatalities and the increased overall efficiency.

Well you should because its going to be the however many morons in front of you that piss someone off to the point where they swerve at you or open a door at you. Sure they will get in trouble but you're going to get jacked.

I try to be a generally reasonable person when I ride\drive\live and generally speaking, I feel like that comes back in the form of courteous behavior from others. That whole do unto others thing... I don't ride 100 on the highway, I don't get all up in people's shit, I wear gear, I don't ride a stretched 600 with ghettoboys lighting, and while there is occasionally someone who is just having a shitty day and I somehow aggravated them, I generally just keep on going and that's the end of it. In my experience lane splitting in CA and Italy, it works perfectly fine and people are generally courteous and give you all the room they can. Obviously don't be an ass about it and do 50mph faster than the flow of traffic, but 5-10mph faster in slow traffic and everything is perfectly fine. Yes, there are psychopaths out there, but is respectful riding really going to trigger that? From the Hurt report, "Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause" and they get charged with attempted manslaughter and sent to jail before they and their insurance company get sued to kingdom come and back.

[#1Townie]

I don't think there is any CA law authorizing lane splitting, it's just not prohibited. High school chemistry says you can't filter carbon monoxide, but the chief benefits of lane splitting are typically the reduced rear end motorcycle fatalities and the increased overall efficiency.



I try to be a generally reasonable person when I ride\drive\live and generally speaking, I feel like that comes back in the form of courteous behavior from others. That whole do unto others thing... I don't ride 100 on the highway, I don't get all up in people's shit, I wear gear, I don't ride a stretched 600 with ghettoboys lighting, and while there is occasionally someone who is just having a shitty day and I somehow aggravated them, I generally just keep on going and that's the end of it. In my experience lane splitting in CA and Italy, it works perfectly fine and people are generally courteous and give you all the room they can. Obviously don't be an ass about it and do 50mph faster than the flow of traffic, but 5-10mph faster in slow traffic and everything is perfectly fine. Yes, there are psychopaths out there, but is respectful riding really going to trigger that? From the Hurt report, "Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause" and they get charged with attempted manslaughter and sent to jail before they and their insurance company get sued to kingdom come and back.

A few things I just learned today is that as of this year it is now legal to split lanes in Cali and yes its because of rear ending. Another thing I learned is that if there is a accident with lane splitting it is always the riders fault. Part of lane splitting is using the proper speed for the conditions. If there is a accident the rider is blamed for not being able to stop.

So in other words a car can cut you off and bam you're down. All driver has to say is that he didn't see you and not only does he not get in trouble but you get a ticket.

Lane splitting just isn't worth the issues.

[bulldog]

I don't think there is any CA law authorizing lane splitting, it's just not prohibited. High school chemistry says you can't filter carbon monoxide, but the chief benefits of lane splitting are typically the reduced rear end motorcycle fatalities and the increased overall efficiency.



I try to be a generally reasonable person when I ride\drive\live and generally speaking, I feel like that comes back in the form of courteous behavior from others. That whole do unto others thing... I don't ride 100 on the highway, I don't get all up in people's shit, I wear gear, I don't ride a stretched 600 with ghettoboys lighting, and while there is occasionally someone who is just having a shitty day and I somehow aggravated them, I generally just keep on going and that's the end of it. In my experience lane splitting in CA and Italy, it works perfectly fine and people are generally courteous and give you all the room they can. Obviously don't be an ass about it and do 50mph faster than the flow of traffic, but 5-10mph faster in slow traffic and everything is perfectly fine. Yes, there are psychopaths out there, but is respectful riding really going to trigger that? From the Hurt report, "Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause" and they get charged with attempted manslaughter and sent to jail before they and their insurance company get sued to kingdom come and back.

I admit i was wrong about the filters and they do not filter carbon monoxide. I guess am juts thinking common sense wise though and what stops carbon monoxide.....steel and panes of glass....exactly what a car is Yeah windows rolled down defeats that purpose, but I would think a cage of glass and steel/aluminum would shied most carbon monoxide. No idea if the actual law was about this, but I just put the exert from what I remember reading about it.

P.S. Townie, no need for me to simmer down....you can probably tell I kind of enjoy arguing At least this is what my wife tells me....


This article is stating that CHP did finally put out rules for lane splitting in January (cracking down on speed of lane splitters; which I agree with):
The new rules, which the CHP introduced in January after consulting with other state agencies and motorcycle-rider groups, apply to city streets, highways and freeways across the state.
"Basically, what we're most interested in is the speeds," Pope said. "You should lane-split no faster than 10 mph over the speed of traffic around you, and we recommend (motorcyclists) not split at all if the traffic is faster than 30 mph."
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ed-4270272.php

Tons of info on it here: http://lanesplittingislegal.com/

[Slo]

I don't think there is any CA law authorizing lane splitting, it's just not prohibited.

When I was in CA, DMV motorcycle handbook, right on the inside of the cover mentioned something along the lines of, although not recommended it is legal to split lanes.

[bulldog]

When I was in CA, DMV motorcycle handbook, right on the inside of the cover mentioned something along the lines of, although not recommended it is legal to split lanes.

I did see Senate Bill 350 was introduced to try to stop lane splitting. Now sure how it works, but I'd assume if a Senate bill is needed to stop it, then at one point it had to be issued as legal...I don't get into politics though

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB350


Bill 350 died though! http://lanesplittingislegal.com/tag/sb-350

[teamextreme]

Now sure how it works, but I'd assume if a Senate bill is needed to stop it, then at one point it had to be issued as legal...I don't get into politics though

Laws are written to make things illegal, not written to make things legal. If a law was required to make things legal, everything you do everyday would require a law to make it legal. Want to pick your nose? Better be a law stating it's legal, otherwise you're busted! In CO we (unfortunately) have a law that specifically states you can't lane split (as posted above). A similar law doesn't exist in CA.

[bulldog]

Laws are written to make things illegal, not written to make things legal. If a law was required to make things legal, everything you do everyday would require a law to make it legal. Want to pick your nose? Better be a law stating it's legal, otherwise you're busted! In CO we (unfortunately) have a law that specifically states you can't lane split (as posted above). A similar law doesn't exist in CA.

Funny as a new law was just put into affect in Colorado to make that illegal marijuana legal now

[Wrider]

Funny as a new law was just put into affect in Colorado to make that illegal marijuana legal now

Technically the new law simply repealed the old law, so it didn't "legalize" anything.

[#1Townie]

I did see Senate Bill 350 was introduced to try to stop lane splitting. Now sure how it works, but I'd assume if a Senate bill is needed to stop it, then at one point it had to be issued as legal...I don't get into politics though

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB350


Bill 350 died though! http://lanesplittingislegal.com/tag/sb-350

The bill was shot down after chp stepped up and said no.

While there has never been publicly written guidelines it has and always will be up to the officer to make judgement calls if a rider is splitting unsafe.