Monday, October 13 HPR Motorcycles Only Lapping

[rybo]

I just learned something.

yup, me too

[Drano]

This thread has taught no one anything. The most riding I ever learned how to do from the Internet was how to adjust compression and all that Jaz.

To be honest, I don't know whether to laugh at a remark like this, or feel sorry that you said it. So let me break this down to make sure I'm not confused by what you're actually saying. By the way, what was it you said in that thread about the rider being hit by the CSP trooper? Ah, here it is...

That post sounds all kinds of fishy. And it doesn't help that his grammar and sentence structure show the educational equivalent of a 4th grader.

Are you saying that of all the riding skills you've gained, none of them have been achieved by using the internet? With the exception being that you learned how to adjust compression, etc.? If so, you're technically correct. A person can read as much theory as they want, but it's meaningless if they don't get out and apply it. Am I right? Oh, and making suspension adjustments isn't technically riding skill, it's mechanical skill.

So, and feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, the internet is nothing more than information, right? It's no different from reading a book, watching a how-to video, or have an instructor gabbing in your ear right next to you, yes? You could have Marc Marquez sit down with you, explain his observations after following you around the track, and you will learn absolutely nothing from it? It's just information, right? Unless, and I'm going out on a limb here, you choose to keep an open mind, and apply that information the next time you're out on the track, no? I'm having a breakthrough! I didn't realize you could use information and benefit from it! Hot damn! I'm a genius!

I'm glad you're here to tell us that this thread doesn't contain any useful information for anyone. Quite a broad generalization, wouldn't you say? I didn't realize you were the foremost expert on what information is deemed useful and what is not. You astound us all, professor! You get on out there, champ! Show the world that the only help you need is a $25k motorcycle and a long straight. You'll be winning races in no time! Bravo, sir! Bravo!

[The Black Knight]

This thread is full of WIN!!

[mcarthd26]

So the most expensive and prettiest bike doesn't make you faster? I learned something there. I call this expensive bike syndrome. For two years at IMI I rode an $800 2004 ninja 250 (1988 technology) that was ugly as sin. I just wanted to learn as much as possible and be become a better rider.

Almost every day at the track someone would show up on some brand new drool worthy bike, my brother and I would just laugh, "here comes another one." We would then spend the rest of our sessions lapping the guy on the $15k bike with full exhaust, quickshifter, power commander, etc. Eventually some would come over and ask, "what kind of bike is that? Do you race?" 80% of then couldn't ride in the parking lot let alone the track. If, and they usually didn't, they talked riding with us it was usually about them and their bike, how fast they were in the canyons, etc. Rarely they would ask why our bikes (not the riders on them) were so fast. The ego of motorcycle riders is a fragile thing (mine included), so after they learn that someone is faster and they haven't really learned how to ride better what is the solution? A 2015 BMW S1000R, because that extra hp really helps with trail braking, body position, and all the other unimportant things that learning from listening to more experienced riders and applying can provide.


So Aaron, here's the lessons. It's great that you've discovered the track, it took me a long time to do so and I'll never ride on the street again. Now really take advantage of the opportunity, listen to the great advice that MRA racers are giving. Apply it. You don't need more HP you need less. Let's be honest, their are less than 20 riders in the whole state who can truly maximize the potential of a bone stock 600, I'm certainly not one but I am working hard to learn as much as I can in order to be one. Any time someone is at the track and seem to be competent, even if I'm faster, I'll always ask them questions. I'll follow them to examine their lines, body position, whatever. I'll ask them if they could follow me and provide feedback.


For all the guys considering the track, do it. I rode and raced motocross for years, bought an F3 at 16, first track day at 30 on a pos ninja 250 and learned more in two track days than the 14 years on the street. It will help you be safer on the streets, if you even continue to ride on the street, and it's a blast. Start at IMI, it's cheap and small, it will teach you the importantance of corner speed and how to achieve it.




Ramble over, sorry for my numerous grammatical errors.

[Nolan]

I've learned a track bike is better with cruise control, and you tube will teach me how to set up my suspension.

[bulldog]

I miss Second Creek Raceway; so convenient......yes some riders were probably already on the track when some on this board were just starting to ride/drive....try not to forget!

The memories of it Tribute to Second Creek Raceway - an album on Flickr (crashed on some of those turns...brings it all back...stupid "dip" turn I crashed and bruised a kidney on and pissed blood for a few days...along with a fierce concussion and ruining a expensive Arai Replica helmet; no complaints as probably saved my life)



But I do love how the "track" talks by some makes it seem like this is some new thing they discovered Just like this has been talked about so many times and if people still think it is the bike that makes them fast and not the skills, that just shows inexperience.

My first reaction to the track "OMG, I thought I was fast, but I am nothing compared to some of these guys"....what a eye opener and how much I had to learn.

[Kim-n-Dean]

I miss Second Creek Raceway;

Never seen any of those names for the turns, except the Esses. When we ran there, we had different names for every turn. House turn, Carousel, Rats Nest, The 88's. Damn, I miss that track!!!

[Ph03niX]

I'd like to say I've learned a shit ton from this thread, and am talking to a guy about buying his suit as we speak. Oh and laughing at townie cause he is a prick but sometimes his jokes are hilarious.

I miss Second Creek Raceway; so convenient......yes some riders were probably already on the track when some on this board were just starting to ride/drive....try not to forget!

The memories of it Tribute to Second Creek Raceway - an album on Flickr (crashed on some of those turns...brings it all back...stupid "dip" turn I crashed and bruised a kidney on and pissed blood for a few days...along with a fierce concussion and ruining a expensive Arai Replica helmet; no complaints as probably saved my life)



But I do love how the "track" talks by some makes it seem like this is some new thing they discovered Just like this has been talked about so many times and if people still think it is the bike that makes them fast and not the skills, that just shows inexperience.

My first reaction to the track "OMG, I thought I was fast, but I am nothing compared to some of these guys"....what a eye opener and how much I had to learn.

Ohhhh my Goooood. That is too fucking cool! I didn't even know this raceway existed until a buddy of mine took us to this track he said was abandoned.. We went out and he started doing laps to warm up the tires on his Saleen. He stopped by me and literally let me drop the clutch and learn how to drift right there around the "oval turn". That was the coolest thing I've ever done in a car.. and to see those race pictures, that's freakin awesome!!

[07D675CO]

Well that was a good waste of 15 minutes of my life. Thanks.

[#1Townie]

Well that was a good waste of 15 minutes of my life. Thanks.

That's what this site is for noob.

[bulldog]

Well that was a good waste of 15 minutes of my life. Thanks.

I don't get why people are saying this. Yes there is some BS in the thread, but did anyone really read what some people posted like Black Knight, Drano, Rybo, Dirk, etc on setup, technique, etc! There was some very useful information in there from riders who have been doing this a long time. WTF!

[#1Townie]

I don't get why people are saying this. Yes there is some BS in the thread, but did anyone really read what some people posted like Black Knight, Drano, Rybo, Dirk, etc on setup, technique, etc! There was some very useful information in there from riders who have been doing this a long time. WTF!

Because everyone is pro man. Didn't you know? They just haven't goten the chance to shine. Give them the bike and they would all set the new fastest lap. Duh.





God I'm a prick.

[07D675CO]

Because everyone is pro man. Didn't you know? They just haven't goten the chance to shine. Give them the bike and they would all set the new fastest lap. Duh.


God I'm a prick.

Well yeah, all we need is the latest and greatest S1000RR in slick mode brah. Then we would be fast and furious!

[The Black Knight]

Well yeah, all we need is the latest and greatest S1000RR in slick mode brah. Then we would be fast and furious!

Only thing I need to make me fast and furious is two bottles of NOS and I'll need them by tonight.

[madvlad]

thank God I don't ride street anymore

[~Barn~]

thank God I don't ride street anymore

I'll remind you of this the next time you wanna borrow Amy Lou or Gemma.

[bulldog]

Never seen any of those names for the turns, except the Esses. When we ran there, we had different names for every turn. House turn, Carousel, Rats Nest, The 88's. Damn, I miss that track!!!

Yeah kind of thought the same thing when I saw it too; think we all just made up our own names for the turns; mainly by how Hoopty crashed on that turn prior….cuz he crashed on nearly every turn at some point I just miss the days of rolling up there for a quick track day and then hanging with all the racers I knew back then. Like our VIP sessions back then were awesome and I miss those days……

Because everyone is pro man. Didn't you know? They just haven't goten the chance to shine. Give them the bike and they would all set the new fastest lap. Duh.
God I'm a prick.

I agree though man and it does seem like everyone thinks they are a pro now and want no advice. What happened to the days of looking up to someone to improve instead of arguing with them. I’ve said it before: I would be nowhere near as good a rider today without all the advice I got over the years. I use go to the track and see some of the fast guys ride so when I went with them in the canyons I was always watching their lines and technique and trying to mimic it; heck if they are that good why would I question them! Just seems like generations now think it somehow makes you look inferior for asking for advice.

And like someone else said on this thread “there are maybe a handful of guys now in CO that could ride a 600 to its full potential…especially with a few bolt on mods.” You don’t think so, then challenge some of the top racers here and get schooled….then swallow your pride and see if they will help you…I’ve found like 95% of racers love to help others if you just ask!

I'd like to say I've learned a shit ton from this thread, and am talking to a guy about buying his suit as we speak. Oh and laughing at townie cause he is a prick but sometimes his jokes are hilarious.

Ohhhh my Goooood. That is too fucking cool! I didn't even know this raceway existed until a buddy of mine took us to this track he said was abandoned.. We went out and he started doing laps to warm up the tires on his Saleen. He stopped by me and literally let me drop the clutch and learn how to drift right there around the "oval turn". That was the coolest thing I've ever done in a car.. and to see those race pictures, that's freakin awesome!!

I am glad there are some people still getting useful info out of this site! Like I said above there are plenty of people that are willing to help so people need to realize a few dumb posts doesn’t mean there is not valuable info in there; that is what forums really are!

Yeah I am surprised how many people don’t know Second Creek existed. Was such a sad day when it finally closed down and I still flip off the houses there that came in after the track was there and complained about the noise…bs, you moved into cheaper land way out there by a racetrack…..can you tell I am still pissed about it (sure there was more to it though, but that was the main issue I heard). Even sadder to hear it is still there just deserted when so many others could be enjoying it; plus get people off the streets.

[Mother Goose]

Yeah I am surprised how many people don’t know Second Creek existed. Was such a sad day when it finally closed down and I still flip off the houses there that came in after the track was there and complained about the noise…bs, you moved into cheaper land way out there by a racetrack…..can you tell I am still pissed about it (sure there was more to it though, but that was the main issue I heard). Even sadder to hear it is still there just deserted when so many others could be enjoying it; plus get people off the streets.

They should probably close down the airport too, since it was there before those houses too. Idiots. They're ok with the noise day and night from a freakin airport, but not noise from a track that operates during the day....

[Kim-n-Dean]

They should probably close down the airport too, since it was there before those houses too. Idiots. They're ok with the noise day and night from a freakin airport, but not noise from a track that operates during the day....

Exactly!!! We ran during the day with mufflers, but SCR was associated with the hillbilly dirt track next door. They ran at night and no mufflers. The city council meeting was a joke. They would not separate the two. However, there was one councilwoman that said she liked us because we ran during the day. Too bad she didn't have more influence!!

BTW - SCR always operated under "special permit". It was just a matter of time before it got shut down.

[The GECCO]

They would not separate the two.

BTW - SCR always operated under "special permit". It was just a matter of time before it got shut down.

They couldn't separate the two, both tracks operated under a single permit for the entire property.

[Bueller]

If SCR had not shut down, HPR would not have happened. Although it was a great cheap (dangerous) track I am now happier with the outcome. After HPR, SCR is now like IMI, too small, too rough and too little maintenance.

[07D675CO]

If SCR had not shut down, HPR would not have happened. Although it was a great cheap (dangerous) track I am now happier with the outcome. After HPR, SCR is now like IMI, too small, too rough and too little maintenance.

HPR just needs something, anything around it.

[The Black Knight]

HPR just needs something, anything around it.

Like houses with cranky homeowners??

[07D675CO]

Like houses with cranky homeowners??

Haha no, like convenience store or something.