What should be done in Ferguson

[Ezzzzy1]

The Grand Jurys transcripts that were released are crazy! Brown got 100% everything he deserved.

[FZRguy]

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

[Aaron]

I don't even know what hash tags are or do. Just hear people say it all the time.

[The Black Knight]

I don't even know what hash tags are or do. Just hear people say it all the time.

It has to do with Twitter(another one of those useless social media sites) and people have run it into the ground. It's traditionally the pound sign and you're right, I have no idea what the hell a "hastag" really is. It's lame and makes no sense.

#riots

[#1Townie]

I don't even know what hash tags are or do. Just hear people say it all the time.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashtag

[Nolan]

#overit

[JKOL]

You can't fix this kind of ignorance.

[FZRguy]

You can't fix this kind of ignorance.

Kinda hard to get a job and pull yourself out of that shit hole when you can't put two sentences together. Doubtful the gentleman in the red bandana can read or write at a 9th grade level.

[Nolan]

Wow. Just wow.

[Ezzzzy1]

This is what happens when morals and civility are not interjected into somones life while growing up. Manners and respect are next followed by pride. When you dont know what these things are you are literally willing to shit on the same exact plate that you eat on.

Sad.

[07D675CO]

This is what happens when morals and civility are not interjected into somones life while growing up. Manners and respect are next followed by pride. When you dont know what these things are you are literally willing to shit on the same exact plate that you eat on.

Sad.

At this point I think it is a lot of people that just want to destroy stuff because they have nothing better to do. Probably no legit jobs and are mad at the world for their situation even if they do have a hand in where they are.


Now that NY case appears to be a little different than this one based on the video evidence and coroners report. They also appear to be a little more civilized in their protesting from what I have seen.

[JKOL]

At this point I think it is a lot of people that just want to destroy stuff because they have nothing better to do. Probably no legit jobs and are mad at the world for their situation even if they do have a hand in where they are.


Now that NY case appears to be a little different than this one based on the video evidence and coroners report. They also appear to be a little more civilized in their protesting from what I have seen.

If you watched the video Ezzzzy1 is responding too, then it is clear these people (I am hesitant to call them people) have full responsibility for where they are in life. With the attitudes and views they express, I give zero f&^ks if they all end up in jail or dead, just like I don't care if the KKK or Westboro Baptist church all stop breathing.

For those that didn't watch the video, let me summarize:
all white people are racist
black people can't be racist for hating whites because whites are the devil.
the facts don't matter, Darren Wilson should be killed, he should be hung.

The only difference between these f&%ktards and the KKK is the skin color.

[07D675CO]

If you watched the video Ezzzzy1 is responding too, then it is clear these people (I am hesitant to call them people) have full responsibility for where they are in life. With the attitudes and views they express, I give zero f&^ks if they all end up in jail or dead, just like I don't care if the KKK or Westboro Baptist church all stop breathing.

For those that didn't watch the video, let me summarize:
all white people are racist
black people can't be racist for hating whites because whites are the devil.
the facts don't matter, Darren Wilson should be killed, he should be hung.

The only difference between these f&%ktards and the KKK is the skin color.

Just to be clear I wasn't responding directly to that video, just the situation there currently and the people I have seen or read about.

[bulldog]

If you watched the video Ezzzzy1 is responding too, then it is clear these people (I am hesitant to call them people) have full responsibility for where they are in life. With the attitudes and views they express, I give zero f&^ks if they all end up in jail or dead, just like I don't care if the KKK or Westboro Baptist church all stop breathing.

In general, not specific to this case, I do have to say that not all people get the same opportunities in life. I see it everyday with these rich kids I work with. They graduated college with D's because their parents paid 100% of tuition and they never had to carry a job or do much other than go to college. I on the other hand came from a single parent home and grew up in a bad neighborhood and no way could my family afford to sent me to college. So I had to get academic scholarships and work full time while in college. Then I see the rich kids act like we had the same opportunities....not true...I'd of loved to go to college and only worry about my studies and then pass with a D. When you get that diploma they don't care if one got it from getting B's and then other got it from D's....although no academic scholarship will allow someone to pass with D's; had to keep a 3.0gpa or risk losing scholarships.

So then you look at other poor families and can you really say that they have full responsibility for where they are born and what they are born into? You think the poor kid (white, black, hispanic, etc) has the same opportunities being born into a bad situation. Some come from abusive households, parents that don't care, drugs, and crime/gangs...going to school is surviving that day and not so much to learn (how it was for me).

Some kids are raised racist because that is all they know and not so sure that is their fault as children. They are pretty much brainwashed into it since hey day they can talk

Then take it to the next level. Does a kid in poor Africa who barely has drinkable water really responsible for that? Or was that child just not fortunate enough to be born where we were; USA. Same goes for many families across our nation. I so wish everything was equal, but it is not.


Not attacking you personally Jkol, just something I think about a lot and something to discuss.

[07D675CO]

In general, not specific to this case, I do have to say that not all people get the same opportunities in life. I see it everyday with these rich kids I work with. They graduated college with D's because their parents paid 100% of tuition and they never had to carry a job or do much other than go to college. I on the other hand came from a single parent home and grew up in a bad neighborhood and no way could my family afford to sent me to college. So I had to get academic scholarships and work full time while in college. Then I see the rich kids act like we had the same opportunities....not true...I'd of loved to go to college and only worry about my studies and then pass with a D. When you get that diploma they don't care if one got it from getting B's and then other got it from D's....although no academic scholarship will allow someone to pass with D's; had to keep a 3.0gpa or risk losing scholarships.

So then you look at other poor families and can you really say that they have full responsibility for where they are born and what they are born into? You think the poor kid (white, black, hispanic, etc) has the same opportunities being born into a bad situation. Some come from abusive households, parents that don't care, drugs, and crime/gangs...going to school is surviving that day and not so much to learn (how it was for me).

Some kids are raised racist because that is all they know and not so sure that is their fault as children. They are pretty much brainwashed into it since hey day they can talk

Then take it to the next level. Does a kid in poor Africa who barely has drinkable water really responsible for that? Or was that child just not fortunate enough to be born where we were; USA. Same goes for many families across our nation. I so wish everything was equal, but it is not.


Not attacking you personally Jkol, just something I think about a lot and something to discuss.

I agree and this is something I was not expressing as well in much earlier posts. Sometimes I stop and think what would it be like if I had been born elsewhere or to different parents that didn't raise me the way they did. Things would be infinitely different, even if I had been born in the US just somewhere much poorer like LA instead of CA. America has one of the lowest scores for children moving up a station from their parents. So if you are born poor you are almost surely going to stay poor. Despite all these so called opportunities. Life involves a lot of luck but starting far up the food chain makes a huge difference.

Certainly people can make it out but that isn't the norm. It certainly should be though.

On the subject of working in school. My father in law will only hire people that worked through school. Because he knows it builds character and appreciation for hard work. I have to agree. I worked through school and I believe it taught me better life skills than if I had mommy and daddy pay for it all.

[#1Townie]

I will be back later for this thread.

[birchyboy]

This is loosely related to Ferguson, according to the article. It gives some insight into what municipalities have received from the DOD for surplus equipment:

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...cops-giveaway/

My little city of Aurora, CO has received the following:

Item Quantity Total Value
MINE RESISTANT VEHICLE 1 $412,000.00
RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 126 $62,874.00
SHIELD,PERSONAL PROTECTIVE 74 $7,030.00
RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 25 $3,450.00
INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT 12 $620.00

An even smaller town, Florence, has received almost $3.7M in equipment, including a mine-resistant and two tactical vehicles. The scofflaws in Canon City better keep themselves in line.


What about yours?

[JKOL]

This is loosely related to Ferguson, according to the article. It gives some insight into what municipalities have received from the DOD for surplus equipment:

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...cops-giveaway/

My little city of Aurora, CO has received the following:

Item Quantity Total Value
MINE RESISTANT VEHICLE 1 $412,000.00
RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 126 $62,874.00
SHIELD,PERSONAL PROTECTIVE 74 $7,030.00
RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 25 $3,450.00
INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT 12 $620.00

An even smaller town, Florence, has received almost $3.7M in equipment, including a mine-resistant and two tactical vehicles. The scofflaws in Canon City better keep themselves in line.


What about yours?

This an entirely different can of worms and it is indeed troublesome to me. There are plenty of good officers, I have met Aaron a couple times and he seems like a good dude, but since I haven't been pulled over by him I can't comment about him as an officer, but based on his demeanor when not in uniform, I have to think he is a good cop as well. The troubling thing is there seem to be more and more "people didn't respect me in high school so I got a badge and they better respect me now or else." It is those guys that worry me, and giving those weekend warrior wanna be SEALs cops military grade equipment is borderline reckless. I am all for officers having everything they need to get home to their families and loved ones safely after a shift, but why the hell does a police department need an armored personnel carrier?

[#1Townie]

Fuck that argument about getting out. I'm speaking from the aspect of being expelled twice. Hooked on drugs at 15. Was in a gang. Sold drugs until my early twenties.

While I am not proud of my past it is there. The hardest part about getting out and STAYING out is just making good decisions. Period.

You can dwell on what you don't have or work on getting what you want. Simple.

Starts with good decisions. Not ignoring that voice in your head that says I wouldn't do that.

[JKOL]

Fuck that argument about getting out. I'm speaking from the aspect of being expelled twice. Hooked on drugs at 15. Was in a gang. Sold drugs until my early twenties.

While I am not proud of my past it is there. The hardest part about getting out and STAYING out is just making good decisions. Period.

You can dwell on what you don't have or work on getting what you want. Simple.

Starts with good decisions. Not ignoring that voice in your head that says I wouldn't do that.

Damn Townie, not that you need my approval but respect for overcoming and finding a better path.

In other news: Based on what is currently known, two witnesses told the officer 2 people were dealing drugs in a vehicle, the officer approached the vehicle, the suspected drug dealer decides to not follow an officer's orders, ends up running and the getting into a fight with the officer. Drug dealer ends up dead, drugs found on dealer and gun found in his car. Big Fing surprise. Here comes the kicker, the cop is white and the drug dealer is black so get ready for more fun.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pho...fle/ar-BBglk7F

I have been stopped by cops quite a few times in my life, I have been disrespectful zero times, I have acted in a questionable manner zero times, and I have fought with them zero times. I am lucky to have survived my confrontation with the blood thirsty cops roaming the streets.

[#1Townie]

Oh I'm leaving out more. Just the tip of the iceberg. I spent most of my life ducking cops. There is a time and place to fight cops. The street is never the place. Ever. Just asking to get killed.

And honestly color doesn't matter. I'm white. Cops know whos fucking around. End of story. Hell after I moved back into my old neighborhood I got into a little situation with weirdo that "would beat my ass".

Well he ended up calling the cops and the first thing they did was hit me up on my background. Was I still active. Where I had been for the last ten years. Fishing for info.

Its their job and a long time ago I was their suspect. I can see how the job of a officer can get tough when they know who's doing stuff but can't do anything because they have no evidence.

I am not advocating that any of these cops are Angeles. Or that the suspects were thugs. All I'm saying is if you want to take up a fight and burn down your neighborhood try finding better reasons. They are out there.

Hell there is a video of a guy in handcuffs with two cops and a little struggle happens. One cop shoots the suspect. Now that is your case. That I would have been able to understand.

But no they had to use this case. Lies. He was suspected of committing a felony THAT DAY! Evidence shows that something took place in the cops car.

Just too much to ignore to fight for him. So fuck him.

The part that I'm truly getting tired of is this feeling sorry for people. Fuck that. I have no idea how many lives I ruined. Just for selling something they wanted. People I hurt collecting debts or just because they walked down the wrong street on the wrong night.

These are just a few things that I live with. Everyday. I have plenty of friends who have decided to better themselves. I have a bunch who decided not to. Either prison or hooked on drugs. I even have a bunch that decided to end their own lives. A few murdered.

But at the end of the day its up to you and I to hold OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE for our own ACTIONS.

[bulldog]

Oh I'm leaving out more. Just the tip of the iceberg. I spent most of my life ducking cops. There is a time and place to fight cops. The street is never the place. Ever. Just asking to get killed.

And honestly color doesn't matter. I'm white. Cops know whos fucking around. End of story. Hell after I moved back into my old neighborhood I got into a little situation with weirdo that "would beat my ass".

Well he ended up calling the cops and the first thing they did was hit me up on my background. Was I still active. Where I had been for the last ten years. Fishing for info.

Its their job and a long time ago I was their suspect. I can see how the job of a officer can get tough when they know who's doing stuff but can't do anything because they have no evidence.

I am not advocating that any of these cops are Angeles. Or that the suspects were thugs. All I'm saying is if you want to take up a fight and burn down your neighborhood try finding better reasons. They are out there.

Hell there is a video of a guy in handcuffs with two cops and a little struggle happens. One cop shoots the suspect. Now that is your case. That I would have been able to understand.

But no they had to use this case. Lies. He was suspected of committing a felony THAT DAY! Evidence shows that something took place in the cops car.

Just too much to ignore to fight for him. So fuck him.

The part that I'm truly getting tired of is this feeling sorry for people. Fuck that. I have no idea how many lives I ruined. Just for selling something they wanted. People I hurt collecting debts or just because they walked down the wrong street on the wrong night.

These are just a few things that I live with. Everyday. I have plenty of friends who have decided to better themselves. I have a bunch who decided not to. Either prison or hooked on drugs. I even have a bunch that decided to end their own lives. A few murdered.

But at the end of the day its up to you and I to hold OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE for our own ACTIONS.

Dang Townie....lol....jk....I totally get where you are coming from; you and I seem to have had similar childhoods where it was not all that easy. Same with you I have had so many friends go down the wrong path and most are in prison or dead now. I've had to experience friends commit suicide; one day they are there and the next they are gone. First friend who committed suicide happened in grade 4th grade; one of my best friends decided to end his life at that young age. Heck I've witnessed my own father (who I was not raised by) try to commit suicide and I am the one that had to knock the door down and stop it. Stepmother I knew for over 20 years shot herself in the head.

Oh yeah, my High School had a 50% drop out rate; 1400 came in as freshman and less than 700 graduated….none of my friends graduated with me!

I've also had a lot of negative issues with cops my entire life and have also been the guy that seems to be labeled. At age 17 I saw one of my best friends get put into ICU by 6 police officers; they planted drugs on him (yes I am 100% as I was with the guy 1 min before this happened and he had no drugs). So they planted the drugs and when he got upset they beat him down: now not saying he didn't get lippy, but I saw it happened and they brought out the batons and continued to beat him when it was no longer needed.

My family owned some land we have had in the family for over 100 years that is worth a lot now and surrounded by million dollar houses. Weekly I was stopped by cops when I went to visit my grandma there; some even told me I didn’t belong and that is why I was pulled over. I normally had to call my grandma to vouch why I was in that area; yet I was doing nothing wrong but visiting my grandma……why was I labeled….of course because I was a young Hispanic guy in the rich part of town….but tell me as a teenager how was I supposed to view police officers when that is the most interaction I had with them. So yeah I wish I could say everyone has had great experiences with police officers, but the reality is these bad cops have made some people nervous about police officers because some are bad and I am sure this is where a lot of this comes from now……sad to say but some people are afraid of cops more than they feel they can help them. Only in the last 10 years have I seen that there are good cops; but it is sad to think most my life I thought of cops as bad guys and just another bully “gang” in my town. Actually a few cops on this site have been the ones to make me see there are good ones……just sucks a few bad ones can ruin it for a lot of people.

As for drugs….when a guy that has a pound of marijuana gets 30 years and a murder conviction is like 10 years then I really wonder where this thinking comes from. People are going to do drugs if they really want to, so I see less crime in that than murder. So instead lets clog up our prison system for drug addicts when murders and rapists get a shorter sentence because of it….makes no sense to me and puts out the impression that murder isn’t that big a deal....the truth is murder hurts the family all the way down the line and the pain does not stop at the person murdered.

[#1Townie]

Sorry I took that a little far. My original point is that while it isn't easy its very doable. Nothing in life is easy. NOTHING!

I never went back to school but would any of you talk about how easy it was to get your degrees and land a good job? Would any of you talk about how easy it is to balance your budgets and manage your portfolios?

Different lives have different problems.

For the longest time I hate people who went to college. I hated people who had these office jobs with good benefits. Now that I have let go of some of my anger and branched out into the world I have learned that we all have our problems.

Each problem we face we do our best to make the right decisions. That's the problem with this mess. There is no thinking.

The people rioting aren't thinking about what they are doing to their own neighborhoods. What they might be doing to their own economic future.

Heard some very interesting reports on what happened after the Watts riots. Took a very very long to get people to invest in that area again.

Again if the people who really want to start this fight would have just picked a better example of police brutality it would have got them a little credit.

Not to mention the fight they want to fight isn't about race, its about class. The lower classes are the high risk crime areas. Doesn't matter about color. Well unless you're talking about green. That's the only color that matters anymore. At all.

[Grim2.0]

1. Great thread i enjoyed reading everything

2. EZZZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYY called it riots--riots everywhere

3. pretty damn sure I am the only one here that has actually met townie and know he is real and not a sophisticated troll bot.