UFC Champ Jon Jones tests positive for cocaine

[AOK303]

Yeah 2 substances found, I forget who also got caught recently earlier this year for a hormone that could be used for performance but it has to be mixed a certain way otherwise it just helps repair skin, and it was proven he was doing it to fix his face, he got a 6month ban

i want to know what he go caught with, and if its something that switched from ok to ban last July when they switched testing standards and upgraded the list

[~Barn~]

According to a couple of sources, it was an estrogen inhibitor.

[bulldog]

Yeah 2 substances found, I forget who also got caught recently earlier this year for a hormone that could be used for performance but it has to be mixed a certain way otherwise it just helps repair skin, and it was proven he was doing it to fix his face, he got a 6month ban

i want to know what he go caught with, and if its something that switched from ok to ban last July when they switched testing standards and upgraded the list

Yeah what Barn said…..sources say it was an estrogen blocker. No surprise as this is what they use for a steroid post cycle because as your testosterone goes up, so does a person’s estrogen. So an estrogen blocker shows he was on steroids for a period of time and then got off in time to try to test clean….yet they caught the traces of a estrogen blocker. What I think is happening here is testing with USADA has just gotten better and they find new ways to detect substances that athletes were able to hide before. So really this makes me think Jones has always been on steroids and just got caught because of the better testing.

I think you may mean Chael Sonnen, but their excuses are crap and they all know they were cheating. Anderson Silva used some lame excuse that his friend gave him a “sexual enhancement” pill and that is why he tested positive…yeah right! They are all excuses they use when they get caught! Again, Anderson Silva being caught this late in his career is another sign that they were cheating and testing is just now catching them.

Heck look at the Brazilian champs! We went to them nearly ruling every division before this strict testing (especially in Brazil) to now there is none….well one now that Nunez won the belt from Misha on Sat. Fighters like Werdum, Aldo, RDA, Barao were all suspected of steroid for years, but could never be caught. Now that testing is stricter and no IV are allowed to rehydrate, we saw all these epic champs lose….coincidence….maybe, but seems a little to fishy.

[Captain Obvious]

Since the thread hasn't been touched since July, lets inflate the horse for round 3? 4?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattconn.../#189c58d49d3b

Can he be called the GOAT? Can he be a hall of famer? How long does he have left in his career?

[bulldog]

Since the thread hasn't been touched since July, lets inflate the horse for round 3? 4?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattconn.../#189c58d49d3b

Can he be called the GOAT? Can he be a hall of famer? How long does he have left in his career?

Yeah I was going to post this up, but figured CSC only cares about politics and guns nowadays…….so glad you did

Well Jon Jones is only 29 right now, so he will be back in July 2017, which really is only 8 months from now. Considering some fighters take a 6 month break between fights for sure Jon will be back and will claim the title again. Skill wise I just don’t see anyone able to beat him and we really do not have any new 205 fighters that I see will stop him; Anthony Johnson is the only top 5 guy Jon has not already beat. They claimed ring rust when he fought OSP, but personally I felt it was more Jon being careful than ring rust; so if anything this off time will heal all his injuries and also give him the drive to come back hard!

As for GOAT (greatest of all time) that is a tricky one since he was caught for PED’s. Granted he got his suspension down to a year for a “tainted supplement” he is now being considered as not a cheater but someone dumb enough to take a pill without knowing what was in it. Personally I do not know if I believe this defense, but USADA took it as they were able to conclude the supplement Jones claimed was indeed tainted. My opinion on PED’s in pro sports is that is has always been here and always will be, so it is very hard to draw the line on how much these PED’s came into play; especially when so many other top guys have been caught. I will still consider Jones on the greatest, but I also feel that way about Lance Armstrong that many people would argue (mainly because it was proven all the top guys were doping too). I think many people exaggerate PED’s and think if a normal person took them, they would also become pro level….not true as these athletes who were caught all have been very talented guys that 99% of the population could take PED’s and not equal what they have done…...


I am just glad Jones will be back in the UFC again! He just needs to embrace this new persona and come out as “The new bad boy” and stop acting like he is something he is not (he admitted to this in a recent interview; basically what I was saying about him the entire time on this thread…his good guy was more a act UFC wanted him to follow)

[bulldog]

So anyone pumped about UFC 205! First UFC fight EVER in NY and we got three belts on the line; Alvarez vs McGregor, Woodley vs Thompson, then Joanna vs Karolina.

Then some epic fights:
Weidman vs Romero
Gastelum vs Cowboy
Rashad vs Kennedy (noooooo...was just pulled off of card)
Tate vs Pennington
Edgar vs Stevens
Khabib vs Johnson

http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-205?id=

Oh man am I excited for this one!


Barn, Josh, Damir....... where we watching these man?????

[Captain Obvious]

Def gonna watch the fights this weekend. They really did go all out on the card.

Funny thing about Armstrong. I still view him as the greatest of all time. Even hopped up and getting caught cheating when so many others didn't, meh. He doesn't have the titles, but I still think of him as greatest ever asterisked. I think he has more than paid his dues.

JJ is a lot of fun to watch and an amazing fighter, but his inability to make good decisions, pretty much over him.

[bulldog]

Def gonna watch the fights this weekend. They really did go all out on the card.

Funny thing about Armstrong. I still view him as the greatest of all time. Even hopped up and getting caught cheating when so many others didn't, meh. He doesn't have the titles, but I still think of him as greatest ever asterisked. I think he has more than paid his dues.

JJ is a lot of fun to watch and an amazing fighter, but his inability to make good decisions, pretty much over him.

Yeah I am so excited for this card…although bummed Rashad vs Kennedy fight is off. Although no idea why Rashad and Weidman (who are both from NY) and Edgar (from NJ) were not hyped more for this NY card. Guess just another “Conor” card like usual for UFC…..who cares about those guys that have been in UFC way longer and helped make the sport…..

Wow, I don’t hear too many people still giving Armstrong props, but I agree. If a person thinks they are going to do PED’s and beat what Lance did, then try it….same with Jon Jones! Fact is pro sports will always have this problem so unless I could say 100% every sport is clean, it is hard to say who the real greatest are; so I will never discount the players caught because I feel their talent far outweighs a PED they took. Plus in Jon’s case what he was caught for was a “Viagra” type pill (they claim), so if that is 100% true that really has no PED advantages (if he is not lying; I am still skeptical). Same went for Nick Diaz being charged with a PED for marijuana.

I’ve always respected Jon for his fighting skills, but not so much the decisions he has made and then the fake persona he put out. I said it was only a matter of time before he got exposed and he did. I do hope he cleans up his act because he is lucky he is getting another shot….I thought for sure his career was over (may have been if he got the 3 years they initially said).

Daniel Cormier has to be worried now……..

[#1Townie]

people still watch ufc? had no idea. lol

[bulldog]

people still watch ufc? had no idea. lol

That is because nobody invites you

Weird, the London UFC just sold out in 27 minutes; 18,000 seats. We will have to see, but they are saying this Madison Square Garden card with Conor is expected to beat the record of UFC 129 which was 12 million. Either way I am excited.....suck you no longer like MMA...oh well. Look I know Mayweather and Manny rule PPV numbers, but I just don’t see any other boxers bringing in huge numbers, so when they go away, what is next? About the only others ones I hear about currently are Alvarez…..maybe GGG (Golovkin)????


Some stats showing MMA is catching up; got to remember it is way newer than the sport of boxing


However, the meteoric rise of UFC as one of the fastest growing sports franchises in the world indicates there may be new show in town.
For years UFC has played second fiddle to boxing in terms of combat sports' popularity, largely misunderstood by the casual viewer and misinterpreted as simply a quencher for blood lust.
However, through a variety of transcendent mixed martial arts stars, namely Conor McGregor and Ronda Rousey, exciting pay-per-view events and ever increasing media coverage, more and more eyes are being drawn to the sport.

Excluding Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao events, only three boxing fights since 2000 have managed to generate over £1million in PPV receipts.
In that time UFC has managed a total of eight £1m plus events. In November and December respectively, UFC 193 and 194 PPVs became the company's first ever back-to-back events to achieve over one million buys, signalling a healthy global appetite for mixed martial arts.

[#1Townie]

aww... no one loves me.

I stopped watching ufc long ago.

[bulldog]

aww... no one loves me.

I stopped watching ufc long ago.

So who do you follow in boxing nowadays? Or maybe I should ask if you follow boxing still?

I used to be a huge boxing fan back in the days of Tyson, Hollyfield, Foreman, etc. The first UFC 1 I saw I was hooked and just lost interest in boxing. I've tried going back a few times and just can't get into boxing anymore. Last fight I watched was the Manny vs Mayweather and I just couldn't get into it. I really wish boxing would consolidate and stop having so many different belts so I could know who the real top guys are nowadays.

This Tyson Fury guys seems interesting, but last I heard he is retiring already. You a fan of his?

[#1Townie]

don't watch boxing. that was always boring to watch as well.

just out of conversation and boredom.. I stopped watching ufc because guys stopped fighting. I mean some do but when it was all on the line it looked more like a boxing match. then came all the drama and shit talking. I was over it. its not what I wanted to see.

I do respect what the fighters do but it lost its entertainment value for me. only sport I really watch anymore is hockey.

[bulldog]

Jon Jones finally speaks on Joe Rogan!

[Captain Obvious]

I watched some of it, could not give it 2 hours yet. Found a couple things funny.

In order to have a son, he needs to be mature and married. But not to have girls. huh?
"I didn't go back for cash but I went back for my bowl"

[bulldog]

I watched some of it, could not give it 2 hours yet. Found a couple things funny.

In order to have a son, he needs to be mature and married. But not to have girls. huh?
"I didn't go back for cash but I went back for my bowl"

You would think being mature would mean not cheating on his wife and maybe not partying so much so he spends time with those kids…crazy concept, but I don’t have kids so what would I know

It was funny that he doesn’t want people to think he went back to the car for money…but he is ok with people knowing he went back for a bowl of weed….and come on, was in your front dash and you weren’t smoking and driving with that…yeah right. And you were not drunk but you left the scene…..hmmmm..again I am not believing it.

Overall I respect the guy for doing this interview and not sugar coating it like UFC would want him to. Coincendence he went on Joe Rogan’s podcast over the UFC’s (with Matt Sierra). Rogan is his own boss and that podcast is his so UFC can’t tell him what to do and drives them crazy…heck UFC probably needs Rogan more than he needs UFC (hands down the best MMA commentator ever).

[Captain Obvious]

I really do enjoy Rogan as their lead commentator. Had someone tell me years ago "can't stand him, he doesn't know anything...." I was still new to watching UFC, so didn't have a frame of reference, but have since realized 1) that guy knew nothing 2) no matter who / what the topic, some idiot will always have a problem with it.

I also like Joe's comedy, so.....

Jones did admit he was still drunk from the night before, but wanted to leave the house. He shouldn't have, but didn't want to be there with the guy's wife and kid alone. Clearly leaving early wasn't the right decision.

It was a very surprisingly frank and honest discussion, agree UFC would likely not have wanted it so open. But they did talk about Jones and not the UFC based on what I heard. I do respect his honesty, but his repeated bad decisions will take time to undo. He's a great fighter, but need time before I cheer for him. I don't follow enough to know the relationship about Joe's podcast and the UFC, but I do remember there was some form of unhappiness when Rogan's podcast had some not nice things to say about Cyborg's? masculine appearance.

[bulldog]

I really do enjoy Rogan as their lead commentator. Had someone tell me years ago "can't stand him, he doesn't know anything...." I was still new to watching UFC, so didn't have a frame of reference, but have since realized 1) that guy knew nothing 2) no matter who / what the topic, some idiot will always have a problem with it.

I also like Joe's comedy, so.....

Jones did admit he was still drunk from the night before, but wanted to leave the house. He shouldn't have, but didn't want to be there with the guy's wife and kid alone. Clearly leaving early wasn't the right decision.

It was a very surprisingly frank and honest discussion, agree UFC would likely not have wanted it so open. But they did talk about Jones and not the UFC based on what I heard. I do respect his honesty, but his repeated bad decisions will take time to undo. He's a great fighter, but need time before I cheer for him. I don't follow enough to know the relationship about Joe's podcast and the UFC, but I do remember there was some form of unhappiness when Rogan's podcast had some not nice things to say about Cyborg's? masculine appearance.

Yeah anyone who says Joe Rogan does not know anything about MMA is dumb. He is one of the most knowledgeable MMA personalities out there and very few people know he has a black belt in Taekwondo and was a US champion….all before being employed by the UFC. He also has the #1 podcast so they guy knows how to keep a audience.

Did you happen to see Joe Rogan when he just came to Denver Comedy Works a few weeks back (Nov 18^th). My wife and I went and he was hilarious. I’d always wanted to see his stand up, but he sells out so fast; this time I bought them the minute they were released. If you have not seen him you got to check it out because his standup is great…..which few knows he still does.

Oh yeah I guess he did admit he was drunk the night before, but I bet his blood alcohol was still in the illegal range that morning so he may have got a DWI. I don’t get how you can leave a scene and not get a DWI/DUI because that should show guilt; if not seem like it may be better to leave the scene than get popped with a DWI/DUI.

I just don’t think Jon Jones has any other choice now as for years he played the “good guy” card, but with all this drama he has been exposed so sticking with that would probably harm him more because people know better now. So now he tells it like it is; another statement by him since this happened is he played the “good guy” roll because UFC encouraged that and that is why he did it. Now we see he truly is a partier that was getting black out drunk a week before a fight.

Joe Rogan’s relationship with UFC can be rocky at times, but that is because Joe refuses to be controlled by them and has repeatedly showed he doesn’t give a f*ck because he does this job for his own fun and has plenty of money. Yet UFC has few options of people to replace him by that could even slightly compare to him; Chael Sonnen is probably the best pick, but he is now an employee of Bellator. I love Goldberg, but without Rogan I just don’t think he would be able to do it himself. I just can’t think of one current MMA personality that could take Joe’s place. Basically Joe Rogan is a employee of UFC, but his podcast is not so he can say what he wants….sure he pisses of UFC, but he doesn’t really care. He is probably one the few people who tell Dana White to “f*ck off” and still keep their job

[#1Townie]

I have never liked Joe. not even a little. he has goten better with time but years ago listening to him comment about fighters and call things out in fights made me want to slam my face into a wall. but I will agree he got better. lol. I would much rather see someone like Tito Ortiz or something. someone who can't speak quickly and actually knows what they are talking about.

but I'm an asshole. lol

[bulldog]

I have never liked Joe. not even a little. he has goten better with time but years ago listening to him comment about fighters and call things out in fights made me want to slam my face into a wall. but I will agree he got better. lol. I would much rather see someone like Tito Ortiz or something. someone who can't speak quickly and actually knows what they are talking about.

but I'm an asshole. lol

Just weird because you say you do not watch UFC anymore...yet you know he has gotten better....make up your mind man, do you watch UFC or not nowadays

What do you mean Joe doesn't know what he is talking about? You realize he has been doing UFC since #12, which was 20 years ago. He trains BJJ, he's been in Taekwondo comps, and been into martial arts since he was a teenager. Don't get it wrong, Joe Rogan is a bad mofo and even though he didn't fight, he has skills.....not maybe enough to be a UFC fighter, but I am sure he would beat up 99% of regular men.

Tito is a good commentator too for sure! I got to respect fighters who go into this because they lived it.

[Captain Obvious]

I have seen clips of his stand up (like the bit he did about Dr Phil) but never live. I also watched his tv show, it was pretty funny.

[bulldog]

Well, I happy to eat my words about Jon Jones as his comeback was epic, but most importantly his post speech was genuine and really made me respect the guy. From giving props to DC, to admitting he messed up and is trying to change….guy is an example of someone hitting rock bottom and getting their sh*t together and getting it back!

If you hate Jones, at least listen to his post win speech and maybe it will change you like it did me




P.S. Still the G.O.A.T. of MMA!!!!!

P.S.S. Streamed this fight from Cabo San Lucas, Mexico....that is how much a fan I am

[#1Townie]

Just weird because you say you do not watch UFC anymore...yet you know he has gotten better....make up your mind man, do you watch UFC or not nowadays

What do you mean Joe doesn't know what he is talking about? You realize he has been doing UFC since #12, which was 20 years ago. He trains BJJ, he's been in Taekwondo comps, and been into martial arts since he was a teenager. Don't get it wrong, Joe Rogan is a bad mofo and even though he didn't fight, he has skills.....not maybe enough to be a UFC fighter, but I am sure he would beat up 99% of regular men.

Tito is a good commentator too for sure! I got to respect fighters who go into this because they lived it.

sorry I didn't see your reply. I have not watched a single ufc fight in almost three years. I still watch highlights but I do know that before I quit watching Joe had gotten better about bashing fighters. I understand an announcer is supposed to give their opinions but honestly half the time listening to him I truly wanted to smash my face against a brick wall.

[bulldog]

sorry I didn't see your reply. I have not watched a single ufc fight in almost three years. I still watch highlights but I do know that before I quit watching Joe had gotten better about bashing fighters. I understand an announcer is supposed to give their opinions but honestly half the time listening to him I truly wanted to smash my face against a brick wall.

Yeah seems like with Joe Rogan people either love him or hate him...not a lot of in between. I did get to recently see his standup comedy and I have to say he was great!


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