UFC Champ Jon Jones tests positive for cocaine

[bulldog]

Whoa so Tito can hit women. Use steroids. Be complete bitch on the ultimate fighter and back out of countless fights. Talk mad shit on everyone and everything. Yet you still have mad respect for him?

Jones misses one random and you jump in line and call him a junky, just because the media says so? Ummmm I'm kind of seeing a double standard here.

I guess if that is how you see it; like I said I've done a lot of research on this, so it is kind of hard for me since I am very knowledgeable about MMA and didn't feel Tito was bitch on TUF. Come on Townie did you really see every episode of the Ultimate Fighter Tito was on? Honestly do you even watch the current Ultimate Fighters or the UFC PPV's? Just kind of wondering how much you are into this as you gave always been a guy to come with facts, but you seem to be thinking I am the one putting this all out about Jones; again I am just reporting it and when someone goes from one of the most loved to the most hated I feel maybe there is a reason for it. He went to rehab and lasted one day and yet you still stick up for him? I don't get it, but I guess that is why everyone thinks different

Plus as I have stated before one of my best friend's brother is in the UFC and he actually gets to hang out with a lot of these people; heck Cowboy Cerroine and Ben Henderson stay at his house all the time. I respect my friend and believe what he tells me as he has personally met Jon Jones many times and I do not take him as a person to just make things up.

Plus one is a self proclaimed "Bad Boy", another is a fake self proclaimed "role model" who claims to not do drugs, will never get a DUI, rats on anyone else that does drugs, has 3 kids from a woman and doesn't marry her but claims to be a devote Christian, gets caught doing cocaine, etc...sorry to me that does not show the great Christian role model he tried to put out.

Never told anyone to hate Jones....this is me reporting what goes on and then offering my opinion....of course just one man's opinion.

[#1Townie]

Okay so its okay to crash your Porsche beat your girlfriend and mother of twins. Back out of fights for bullshit reasons. Call people out and then back out of the fight.

LOSE LIKE EVERY FIGHT AS A COACH. Piss off the other fighters to a point that you actually get spanked in the cage. Lol.

As for your questions I don't follow ufc anymore. Why? Because its bullshit. After broc I just gave up on it. The whole point of mma has been lost in the fans and the ufc gave into it.

To answer your question... With a question.. Lol. Have you ever bothered to train? Have you ever cut weight for the fight?

Have you spent nights "conditioning"? And by that I mean just getting punched and kicked to get used to it.

I know a bit about it. So yeah man because you watch it on TV and read about on the web you can have all your info. But please tell me that anything I have said about Tito is incorrect.

[#1Townie]

Oh and I'm just debating for debating. Just so you know. And I really really really hate tito.

[bulldog]

Okay so its okay to crash your Porsche beat your girlfriend and mother of twins. Back out of fights for bullshit reasons. Call people out and then back out of the fight.

LOSE LIKE EVERY FIGHT AS A COACH. Piss off the other fighters to a point that you actually get spanked in the cage. Lol.

As for your questions I don't follow ufc anymore. Why? Because its bullshit. After broc I just gave up on it. The whole point of mma has been lost in the fans and the ufc gave into it.

To answer your question... With a question.. Lol. Have you ever bothered to train? Have you ever cut weight for the fight?

Have you spent nights "conditioning"? And by that I mean just getting punched and kicked to get used to it.

I know a bit about it. So yeah man because you watch it on TV and read about on the web you can have all your info. But please tell me that anything I have said about Tito is incorrect.

Ok, Townie, you win,.....Jon Jones is a great person and Tito sucks

We have been over my training. I have wrestled for 6 years, done Martial Arts (Kajukembo) since I was 6; we could not afford it is a kid so my uncle taught me and my cousins at his house (My Uncle). Yeah I have never trained for straight MMA, but ask anyone what the bases for MMA is and it is wrestling, so I know it somewhat! MMA is the only sport I follow, no football, baseball, basketball, etc). You know I train physically everyday and I am sure it is more than most people do so hopefully that qualifies me a bit....I could be ready to be conditioned for three rounds in less than a month for sure where most guys would take at least a year...I am sure you know I am obsessed with fitness.

[#1Townie]

Ok, Townie, you win,.....Jon Jones is a great person and Tito sucks

We have been over my training. I have wrestled for 6 years, done Martial Arts (Kajukembo) since I was 6; we could not afford it is a kid so my uncle taught me and my cousins at his house (My Uncle). Yeah I have never trained for straight MMA, but ask anyone what the bases for MMA is and it is wrestling, so I know it somewhat! MMA is the only sport I follow, no football, baseball, basketball, etc). You know I train physically everyday and I am sure it is more than most people do so hopefully that qualifies me a bit....I could be ready to be conditioned for three rounds in less than a month for sure where most guys would take at least a year...I am sure you know I am obsessed with fitness.

So go do it and come back to the table. It will take a lot longer than a month. Its not the same man. Trust me from actually doing it.

My main point of who gives a shit is because they are just people. Just like you and I. Ufc has taken that respect away from it. Sure I'm not in the best shape these days. Just a truck driver. Lol. For nine months I spent every day training for one thing. To fight. Sat there and got hit and kicked just to be prepared to fight. Nothing else was my goal. Just to fight. All day every day. Just to fight.

That is the hardest part man. Training. That sport deserves the respect its not shown.

[bulldog]

So go do it and come back to the table. It will take a lot longer than a month. Its not the same man. Trust me from actually doing it.

My main point of who gives a shit is because they are just people. Just like you and I. Ufc has taken that respect away from it. Sure I'm not in the best shape these days. Just a truck driver. Lol. For nine months I spent every day training for one thing. To fight. Sat there and got hit and kicked just to be prepared to fight. Nothing else was my goal. Just to fight. All day every day. Just to fight.

That is the hardest part man. Training. That sport deserves the respect its not shown.

Naw no interest as I am now 36 and not about to start now; plus I have street fought all my life and now I am trying to get to where I do not need to do that to prove my point anymore; just part of my growing up. I fight and the feelings just comes back and that is not a part of me I want to re-visit....much better things to focus on now.

Wrestling and MMA conditioning are very similar....some may actually say wrestling is harder conditioning than MMA and I did that for years so I know how tough it is....also did a bit of boxing as a kid and know how hard that is too. I have just been working on my fitness for over 10 years now at 5 days a week, so the only thing I would change is more cardio driven than weights, but I feel I'd have the conditioning to do it pretty fast; I just have that much faith in my conditioning now as I beat myself up daily to accomplish it. (I think Townie needs me to send him a epic "Nate shirt off pic"....jk)

If anyone respects the sport of MMA it is me.....this is why I look up to these guys and follow it so closely....and have since age 12.


P.S. Tito was ranked the #1 coach ever for UFC; article seems to agree with me that he came in hated, but after he was on the show, people saw him as a better person http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ighter/page/11 Not trying to argue, just hope maybe that would make you see him in a different light. I have never met anyone that has met him that said he was not a good guy in person.

[#1Townie]

http://youtu.be/buScBXnDIdo

http://youtu.be/B9yQSmt9dxY

[bulldog]

http://youtu.be/buScBXnDIdo

http://youtu.be/B9yQSmt9dxY

Is this supposed to be new? Chuck and Tito have hated eachother for decades so this is not new at all....again I have read both their books so I base my decisions on my own knowledge of them. I do love Chuck...talk about a guy that does coke though! Love that he admits he is a womanizer; always with a different hot girl (but he ain't married like Jones who was caught with two woman at 4am that were not his fiance)

Dana White....again he is pissed he had to pay more to his fighters....look at his greed now...won't even allow sponsors because he wants UFC to get all the money....yet is the pay even close to a boxers...that is Dana White. Sorry but Dana has also been voted one of the worst bosses ever!

Yet my link was clear that he was voted the #1 coach....he even went out of his way to personally coach the deaf fighter Matt Hamil.

And you do know Tito pulled out of that fight because he had neck surgery; actually a neck fusion surgery.....it has been documented and he did have that surgery. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...s-neck-surgery



And if we are going by videos, why were my three videos of great fighters saying Jones is fake ignored

Don't just take my word for it though.
From Dan Henderson: http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/5/...lot-of-respect
From Daniel Cormier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKE_17DkZU
From Rashad Evans: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/2/19/28...ud-rivalry-mma

If not going to view at least know the headlines of the videos so you don't think I am the only Jones "hater":
Rashad: "UFC 145: Rashad Evans calls Jon Jones a fake and a fraud,"
Daniel Cormier: "Almost everything is fake about Jon Jones. It's very sad."
Dan: Dan Henderson on Jon Jones: 'I don’t have a whole lot of respect for him as a person

[#1Townie]

Hahahaha its just so amazing to me how you will turn a blind eye to much worse and have respect. You say everyone likes him and I can find countless people who all call him the same thing. A fake.

I don't know man. From what we have talked about here is where the talking has gone. Jones needs rehab for 60 days to clean up. But I show worse behavior from another fighter and that's just whatever.

You aren't being objective. I mean one guy gets arrested for putting his hands on a woman and that's just ignored. Yet you keep at jones for a failed UA. That just blows my mind.

But its cool man. You have your heros. That's all good. I just learned a long ass time ago what you see on TV isn't real.

The people who are on it is the same thing. When you are dealing with a celeb you are dealing with a product. Tito played that roll of bad boy. Just like chuck played the angry bar fighter. Whatever got them to sell the most tickets. And why?

Because the more people who want to see them the more they can charge to do their job. Its about that simple. At the end of the day its about money. Pure and simple. You really think jones would get very far if he walked around saying he did coke and fucked as many chicks as he could? Come on man that's just poor thinking. Just because YOU would respect that doesn't mean sponsors would.

So really I'm sorry when you get that slap in the face what you were sold turns out to not be so true. That's part of life. But at this point I'm kind of surprised that you haven't linked those things together yet.

As to training. I would love to see you in one month just jump into a amateur fight. That would be a fun thing to watch. As for the conditioning I was talking about that had nothing to do with cardio. What I was talking about was conditioning yourself to be able to take a hit.

This isn't a street fight we are talking about. But I guess you forget we come some similar backgrounds. So remember I have had one or two of those as well. Mma is something on a whole other level. Cough kimbo cough. Lol.

Nah man its a whole different world. Something that you can only truly understand if you do it.

But at least we have a thread talking about stuff. Well a couple these days. Lol.

Just so everyone here is clear. Townie hates tito. Bulldog hates jones. Both are fake. Both do drugs. Both have failed UAs. Both are amazing fighters.

[bulldog]

Hahahaha its just so amazing to me how you will turn a blind eye to much worse and have respect. You say everyone likes him and I can find countless people who all call him the same thing. A fake.

I don't know man. From what we have talked about here is where the talking has gone. Jones needs rehab for 60 days to clean up. But I show worse behavior from another fighter and that's just whatever.

You aren't being objective. I mean one guy gets arrested for putting his hands on a woman and that's just ignored. Yet you keep at jones for a failed UA. That just blows my mind.

But its cool man. You have your heros. That's all good. I just learned a long ass time ago what you see on TV isn't real.

The people who are on it is the same thing. When you are dealing with a celeb you are dealing with a product. Tito played that roll of bad boy. Just like chuck played the angry bar fighter. Whatever got them to sell the most tickets. And why?

Because the more people who want to see them the more they can charge to do their job. Its about that simple. At the end of the day its about money. Pure and simple. You really think jones would get very far if he walked around saying he did coke and fucked as many chicks as he could? Come on man that's just poor thinking. Just because YOU would respect that doesn't mean sponsors would.

So really I'm sorry when you get that slap in the face what you were sold turns out to not be so true. That's part of life. But at this point I'm kind of surprised that you haven't linked those things together yet.

As to training. I would love to see you in one month just jump into a amateur fight. That would be a fun thing to watch. As for the conditioning I was talking about that had nothing to do with cardio. What I was talking about was conditioning yourself to be able to take a hit.

This isn't a street fight we are talking about. But I guess you forget we come some similar backgrounds. So remember I have had one or two of those as well. Mma is something on a whole other level. Cough kimbo cough. Lol.

Nah man its a whole different world. Something that you can only truly understand if you do it.

But at least we have a thread talking about stuff. Well a couple these days. Lol.

Just so everyone here is clear. Townie hates tito. Bulldog hates jones. Both are fake. Both do drugs. Both have failed UAs. Both are amazing fighters.

I thought you understood it was the "fakeness" I do not like about Jones...really that is it!

I didn't mean I could do or win a amateur fight,,,just my conditioning should be good enough to go three rounds; especially at sea level. Like I said I have mad respect for MMA and I would not even fight a 125lb UFC fighter as they would kill me.

[bulldog]

Since no other talk on here may as well continue it so Townie and I have something to chat about.

i looked it it up and it states "Ortiz, a UFC Hall of Famer and record-setting champion, competed in MMA for over 15 years while never once failing a pre-fight or post-fight drug test."

also Tito always denied the domestic violence and appears she even took it back and Tito was not charged. Here is her own words http://www.celebuzz.com/jenna-jameso...lence-s198151/

[#1Townie]

Well that's not surprising considering the woman always retracts her claims. Lol.

[bulldog]

Well that's not surprising considering the woman always retracts her claims. Lol.

You mean the porn star, strung out heroin addict (oxy)? She admits it right in that article and many reports of how messed up she is. You seen how she even looks now....definitely a addict and doesn't sound like the best character to trust.....

And here is the gruesome pics of her alleged injuries from that


P.S. A victim can drop charges, but the State (and in particular, the Prosecutor's Office) will decide whether to move forward with the case or drop the charges.

[#1Townie]

You mean the porn star, strung out heroin addict (oxy)? She admits it right in that article and many reports of how messed up she is. You seen how she even looks now....definitely a addict and doesn't sound like the best character to trust.....

And here is the gruesome pics of her alleged injuries from that


P.S. A victim can drop charges, but the State (and in particular, the Prosecutor's Office) will decide whether to move forward with the case or drop the charges.

Hahahaha and the state will often not follow through with charges after a woman backs out.

But yeah she's an amazing person... Makes you wonder why he was with her. Great choice in people to surround yourself with.

[bulldog]

Hahahaha and the state will often not follow through with charges after a woman backs out.


But yeah she's an amazing person... Makes you wonder why he was with her. Great choice in people to surround yourself with.

Not what it says here: http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-v...-violence.html


Moving Forward Without the Victim's Cooperation
Just because a victim no longer wishes to cooperate doesn't mean the case gets dropped. Unlike a private lawsuit between two parties, criminal cases like domestic violence are prosecuted by a district attorney's office. Therefore, the case against the defendant will continue even if the victim recants previous statements, assuming the prosecutor has enough other evidence available to support the charges. Other evidence of the crime might include:

• Police reports
• Photographs of injuries or property damage
• Audio or video recordings, including 911 calls
• Statements or threats made on social media
• Medical records
• Eyewitness accounts

- See more at: http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-v....U68kHJ7L.dpuf


Dang Townie you have always been about links and proving the facts...you are slippin man First I prove Tito was never charged with domestic violence, I post pics of her elbow injury, prove Tito has never failed a drug test, even shows how he was voted #1 coach of TUF. Now domestic violence. I have been through this and know for a fact a person can still be prosecuted. I went to visit a old friend in NM and while at his house he got drunk and started beating up his girl. I got involved and stopped it, but the police came anyways. The girl stated he did not hit her and that I was lying. Well they didn't care even when she cried that he didn't hit her (she had a welt on her face they could see), and they hauled him off to jail and I was called to testify...he was charged with domestic violence and sent to jail for months! I did not even need to testify as their was enough evidence even without me.....

EDIT: Ok I now see you stated "often not" so I guess you do agree they will continue with charges in some cases. Tito's case was looked into and they found that Jenna was a liar and never prosecuted him. Plus look at the pics....a lame elbow brace and that is what happened to her from one of the most dangerous men on this planet. Now you want to talk wrong go google "War Machine" and what he did to his porn GF Christy Mack....now that was bad!

Also, here is his new girl....Model Amber Nichole Miller

http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/tito...-miller/225851 <- Some hot pics of her here....definitely a upgrade from Jenna

[#1Townie]

If the state can't get a hold of the victim they can not follow up charges. Simple as that. That is in any case. Well beside murder but that comes back to needing a body for the murder case.

Yes of course the state can press charges but it becomes a waste of time and money so why go any further?

You never answered me about if he's so stand up why he hung out with such trash. Also why is it that anyone who seems to get close to him hates him?

Just saying bro. Your guy looks like a fuck bag.

Why has he backed out of so many fights? I mean he challenged Dana and didn't follow through.

Truth is you are just upset because you don't understand business. Its just business. Jones made a image and has now messed that up. Now its time to flip that script and create another. Its a never ending story and is part of why you pay managers and publicists.

It so simple. I mean really? A religious man who just happens to be amazing at beating the shit out of people. Lol!!! Come on bro.

[bulldog]

If the state can't get a hold of the victim they can not follow up charges. Simple as that. That is in any case. Well beside murder but that comes back to needing a body for the murder case.

Yes of course the state can press charges but it becomes a waste of time and money so why go any further?

You never answered me about if he's so stand up why he hung out with such trash. Also why is it that anyone who seems to get close to him hates him?

Just saying bro. Your guy looks like a fuck bag.

Why has he backed out of so many fights? I mean he challenged Dana and didn't follow through.

Truth is you are just upset because you don't understand business. Its just business. Jones made a image and has now messed that up. Now its time to flip that script and create another. Its a never ending story and is part of why you pay managers and publicists.

It so simple. I mean really? A religious man who just happens to be amazing at beating the shit out of people. Lol!!! Come on bro.

Yup, and there was enough evidence that Jenna lied and the case was dropped. You think a elbow brace like that is domestic violence....like Jones, every saw through this and knew she was lying.

What about my question? Where are all these failed drug tests you say he had? I find none!

As for your question, what does it matter he choose that girl. The fact is he saw a different person in her and when she is sober she is super smart (she has made the most money in the porno industry and basically not from her but her investments). She was sober and a good person and he claimed in his book she is not like people think; as long as she is off the herion...he is real and gave her a chance and even married her. So why hasn't Jon Jones got married to the girl of this THREE kids? Since we are answering questions.

Naw man I know people who have met and trained with Tito that say he is a great guy. So YOU may see the media Tito, but I have people I trust that know him and swear he is a great person...same with Chael Sonnen. Then I made my own decision after watching every episode of TUF he coached; and read his autobiography. So as you can see I make my judegements based on knowledge.

See I think you are mad because you truly do not know Jones or his history; you said yourself you do not even watch UFC since Broc left and after that was when Jones blew up ,so how could you know? Do you know the details on his DUI? Do you know the details how during his DUI he was already on a suspended license and how he was with two women at 5am? I base things on my own decision and I am far from a person who goes along with others. The fact is Tito was not a greatest person, but he came out as the Bad Boy and everyone knew that was what he was; he was real enough to act himself and tell Dana white F*ck you when nobody else would. Yet I do not see why people hate on him as I have not seen anything he has done that bad.

Yes Tito pulled out of a boxing match with Dana White because it was dumb...Tito is a professional fighter and Dana had a bit of boxing lessons....it was more of a joke for him, but Dana thought it wa serious because I guess he doesn't get thje skill of his own fighters. Tito scared of Dana White...hilarious!

Again, Tito has pulled out of fights because he has major neck and back issues! heck I even posted the video of the neck fusion surgery he had that clearly showed he had that at same time he was supposed to fight Chuck...where you claim he was scared. I highly doubt Tito is scared of anyone to fight...especially Chuck who he fought at least three times......actually he just fought Stephan Bonner a few months back in Bellator and won! Did you even see that?

Then you keeop talking about a business and they have to promote themselves, but the fact is UFC no longer allows sponsors in the ring and endorsements are all based on rank now! So doesn't matter what a person is like now as it is all based on ranks of how much sponsorship money they get now...starts in July, but nobody is signing new deals....therefore it doesn't matter what they portray now....this ain't WWE. Who doesn't get the UFC business!


What about the fights on Sunday? Got anything to say on that....another UFC circus match where they are seeing a guy up to win do they make money from Ireland. You know about this????

[#1Townie]

The only part I'm going to get into is the me being mad. Let me clear that up. I'm not mad about Jones or Ortiz. I couldnt care less about either.

No a single celebrity on the face of this planet means anything to me. If they died I wouldnt care. If they did bad I wouldn't care. If they did great things I still wouldn't care.

No fighters. No athletes what so ever mean a damn thing to me and my life. Hell my favorite thing to watch on TV is hockey. I couldn't tell you who half the guys are on my favorite team.

Why? Because I just don't. They wouldn't be there to help me. They would stop if my car was broke down. They wouldn't lift a finger for me in any situation. And for that. Fuck em. Why give them my emotions?

I will get to the rest of your post later. Probably tomorrow. Its been a really long as day and work is really fucking me over.

But just so you know I was just talking to talk. We haven't had shit on the forum in months. You gave me a thread to debate about. Honestly man Jones could lose his whole career and I wouldnt even read the article about it. Lol. Tito could become the governor of California and in would still make fun of him for getting spanked in the cage. Lol

[bulldog]

The only part I'm going to get into is the me being mad. Let me clear that up. I'm not mad about Jones or Ortiz. I couldnt care less about either.

No a single celebrity on the face of this planet means anything to me. If they died I wouldnt care. If they did bad I wouldn't care. If they did great things I still wouldn't care.

No fighters. No athletes what so ever mean a damn thing to me and my life. Hell my favorite thing to watch on TV is hockey. I couldn't tell you who half the guys are on my favorite team.

Why? Because I just don't. They wouldn't be there to help me. They would stop if my car was broke down. They wouldn't lift a finger for me in any situation. And for that. Fuck em. Why give them my emotions?

I will get to the rest of your post later. Probably tomorrow. Its been a really long as day and work is really fucking me over.

But just so you know I was just talking to talk. We haven't had shit on the forum in months. You gave me a thread to debate about. Honestly man Jones could lose his whole career and I wouldnt even read the article about it. Lol. Tito could become the governor of California and in would still make fun of him for getting spanked in the cage. Lol

Same with me man; I really could care less about any celeb either and was just good to have some action on the board; Tito ain't even one of my favorite fighters I think we both know we like to argue and blow off some time, so no hard feeling on my end man. The funny part is the reason I do chat with you is because you are not fake; at least to me. I know when I am chatting with Townie I get Townie and not a guy trying to impress others with their posts, just a guy like me that doesn't follow the crowd and will stick up for our beliefs even if it pisses people off.


The only celeb that has ever been cool to me is Brendan Schaub, but that is because I know his brother (only reason I get that chance to know him and listen to his podcast weekly: #1 Sport Podcast on Itunes). People hate on him, but Brendan and his brother are cool people. I figured Brendan was going to be this stuck up guy, but then I met him and saw total opposite. Getting to know him has shown me MMA fighters can be some of the coolest people even though they may be some of the toughest. I try to not base a book on it's cover now...if you know what I mean.

[Vitesse]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/...ana/ar-AA8XnMx

[#1Townie]

LETS GET IT ON!

[bulldog]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/...ana/ar-AA8XnMx

Wow, somehow I missed this! I figured Nick would test positive for Marijuana as he always does and does not care; he basically came out of retirement for a big pay day and he got that. Now Anderson on steroids is sad because I consider him one of, if not the greatest, fighter ever. I do not think he has ever been caught for steroids so this is huge news. After Saturday’s fight it sounded like he was thinking of retiring anyways so I bet both these guys just didn’t care what they got caught for as they both know their careers are at an end.

What annoys me is UFC seems to keep knowing about this and allows it…so they can make money. I am sad to say the organization I love so much is turning more and more into a WWE show.


EDIT: Yup just as I thought: "Silva had never before tested positive for a banned substance in his nearly 18-year career."

[~Barn~]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/...ana/ar-AA8XnMx

There are members on this forum, who would probably test positive for both!

[bulldog]

I do think:

Marijuana = not a performance enhancing sport drug
Steriods = a major performance enhacing sport drug

Yet do I think Nick could beat Annderson....although it was a close fight on Sat

Vitesse, you watch UFC? Some of us get together for the UFC PPV events so if ever interested hit me up/