Yes, sometimes they ARE out to kill you.....

[daemon]

Either way, stop the fighting and remember sh*t happens and will continue to happen.

Thank you Sir Knight.
Well thought, well played

[Bueller]

Oh please don't stop arguing. This is very entertaining

[bulldog]

I think I can see now why so few visit here now.
To many saints and privileged punks

+1

[Ezzzzy1]

Wow.
Okay. Let's play
I by and large have not had the best of record as a motorcyclist.
My first incident was as I was rolling along someone that has their right hand turn signal on. Turned left in front of me.
I plowed through their front quarter panel and flew over the front of their vehicle to land on my back with a short bonk to my non helmeted head. Luck was on my side. I was able to continue on to work after the typical talk with the police and perpetrators.
She was uninsured. So began my misery.
She had recently been released from a mental institute and should have been under surveillance.
Even though witnesses were able to collaborate that I was in the right. Neither was ticketed.
I ended up later with a hernia that they would dispute who was at fault.
Insurance company ended up winning this one by giving me the minimal of what what they thought was justifiable.
I could have, should have fought for more.
Not everyone at everytime in their life is prepared for everything that happens in their life.
The best part of this is that after 7 weeks of being off of work while having my then ex-wife take care of me was forcing me out the door.(my fault). Different story
Thankfully a previous land lord was willing to allow me to move into a house I had rented before with as little as 8$ for a deposit.

You sir think that we that enjoy the sport should only enjoy the sport if we are fully able to envision all that can happen in every decision we may make. not all of us are magicians...i have many better stories to share. When we ever meet

Bummer story man but there is no way I think that to enjoy the sport someone needs to fully envision all that can happen etc, and even more that because I recognize the punk rider could have done a least a few things to aid in his own happiness that somehow I am entitled and a saint.

At what point does one take responsibility for their own life? Their own decisions? There is nothing in life that simply "happens" to people without their input and their decisions effecting it. Its a completely different level of thinking but the minute anyone realizes that they are 100% in control and responsible for their own life the world is a different place.

Thank god for gofundme because in this situation its going to give an irresponsible, drivers licenses revoked, no endorsement having, speeding, illegally passing, little gear wearing, non medically insured, no motorcycle insurance having rider that was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, a shot at getting back on his feet.

Heaven for bid the rider thought to himself "I really shouldnt be riding, maybe I should really take it easy on this thing".

[Spooph]

Actually, that's not the point. The point is a car driver took the law into his own hands, and assaulted a rider with his car. All HUGE no-no's, and frowned upon extremely by the law. Any and ALL minor traffic infractions or paperwork infractions (which the car driver as surely didn't know about as the rider knowing the car driver's history - an absurd theory) give the car driver exactly ZERO right or legal authority to do what he did. And, since the DA is charging him for that, while ignoring all but the double yellow passes by the riders (certainly not charging him with "ATGATT violations!!!!"
...

Lol, I tried. Never have I disagreed with this point. Much thanks for so diligently focusing on the hammer and yet again reiterating that it struck the nail so that your ego can be justified for the war path that it's on. At least, that's the only explanation I can see. Let's all take away from this then that car drivers suck, they are our enemies, we should hate them, and enjoy seeing them suffer when they hurt us, as there is nothing we can learn from this situation to help us mitigate these situations in our own rides in the future. We are powerless motorcycle riders who can only spout revenge and let the law handle this situation. /sarcam

[mdub]

Bummer story man but there is no way I think that to enjoy the sport someone needs to fully envision all that can happen etc, and even more that because I recognize the punk rider could have done a least a few things to aid in his own happiness that somehow I am entitled and a saint.

At what point does one take responsibility for their own life? Their own decisions? There is nothing in life that simply "happens" to people without their input and their decisions effecting it. Its a completely different level of thinking but the minute anyone realizes that they are 100% in control and responsible for their own life the world is a different place.

Thank god for gofundme because in this situation its going to give an irresponsible, drivers licenses revoked, no endorsement having, speeding, illegally passing, little gear wearing, non medically insured, no motorcycle insurance having rider that was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, a shot at getting back on his feet.

Heaven for bid the rider thought to himself "I really shouldnt be riding, maybe I should really take it easy on this thing".

well put Edward. when I got back into riding sports bike 12years ago. Wife said you better have a lot of insurance, you have 2 lil girls, at the time 2 and 6. so I got a supplemental accidental death policy via work. thank goodness I am fortunate to have such an employer. so if I do die wife wont have to worry about the house and have a lil extra .

ever time I throw a leg over my bike I say to myself, be VERY cautious out there. it has cross my mind to sell my bike several times. 2 wheels are dangerous, especially for a person like me. maybe I just want to see my girls grow up and for me to be ambulatory.....

[Kim-n-Dean]

God damn!!! EVERYTHING goes to shit on this site!!!!

You are 40 times more likely to die on your bike than in a car. If that stat is correct, it scares the shit out of me knowing I got Kim into riding. I've talked about selling the bikes and she says, "too bad, you screwed up and got me riding and I love it!!"

It really has gotten worse in the last couple of years. Every time I get on the bike, at least four people try to kill me. It used to be only two.

...and, we've had cars run us off the road on purpose while simply riding down C-470 at the speed limit. It's so infuriating I want to pull out my 1911 and start firing!!! Some dumb ass Asian bitch pulled out in front of me and ran me into a curb and then she told me I could have stopped in time. Cost me $700 to fix the door on her Tahoe. It had a bunch of dents that perfectly matched the carbon fiber knuckles on my gloves. The cops said they didn't blame me for going off on her door and she got a ticket.

When I sent her husband the check, I included a note saying, "this only cost me $700. Imagine what it's going to cost you when she kills someone!!"

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I’m going to make this as simple as I can, so that perhaps those that haven’t figured this out yet can finally understand it.

Firstly, it amusing to me that the same exact information posted on a far more mature forum (the BMW forum), gets much more mature replies, far more in line with what the DA in Texas is going to do. People there have pointed out that, yes, the guy should have his paperwork all in order. Yes, the lack of gear contributed to some extent to the injuries received. How much or how little it contributed surely can’t be estimated by anyone on their high horse here, regardless of which one in the stable they’re riding at this particular time. That is for the Dr.’s and accident scene construction folks. I can tell you a fully ATGATT’d friend of mine was racing recently when another rider took out his front wheel and made him crash, and he still ground his ankle pretty badly on the pavement. So, anyone that thinks they know “exactly” how much damage the lack of ATGATT caused is, well, riding a high horse indeed. But, this IS Colorado, so they’re riding their high horse while high themselves. I guess I expect childish replies here, but maybe not to this extent. Especially from people who, as I pointed out, certainly rode in questionable fashion with questionable legality in regards to documentation, insurance, equipment, and how much money they had saved(!!!), as absolutely absurd as that statement was. For the record, I have passed on double yellows. Sped. Had a revoked license that didn’t stop me. I was in violation of the ATGATT laws, dammit! I deserve to be deliberately hit by a guy in a car because of these past transgressions when I was as old as the “privileged punk” kids here, dammit! Oh, and we should all cross 3 lanes of traffic in our cars in order to paste any jaywalkers because, dammit, they broke the law! They were “complete pieces of shit”, and deserve to die! Children, children…..

Ok, so, for the second point, I’m also going to break it down in nice easy pieces so that the children can perhaps understand this next bit, because this is the really important one:
There are basically 2 variables to this equation:
The Rider (regardless of who he was)
The Car Driver (regardless of who he was)

Scenario 1:
An off duty cop (or paramedic, or firefighter, or surgeon, or active duty veteran) gets called in to the scene of an unfolding emergency. He’s rushing to get to work to save a life or 2. He doesn’t have time to sit behind Mr. Crum. So, he executes a safe pass (clear line of sight, speed safe for the vehicle and conditions). Mr. Crum, enraged that a motorcyclist DARES to pass him on HIS road in what HE considers is a dangerous fashion, hits the rider, permanently crippling him. The rider, if he’d been stooped by a duly appointed officer of the law, would NOT have been issued any ticket, and instead would have been given an escort.

Scenario 2:
A Father gets called to the emergency room of the local hospital because his little daughter was hit by a car in the street (She’s a total piece of shit, no ATGATT and jaywalking!!!). He’s rushing to get to the hospital to say goodbye to her before she dies. He doesn’t have time to sit behind Mr. Crum. So, he executes a safe pass (clear line of sight, speed safe for the vehicle and conditions). Mr. Crum, enraged that a motorcyclist DARES to pass him on HIS road in what HE considers is a dangerous fashion, hits the rider, permanently crippling him. The rider, if he’d been stopped by a duly appointed officer of the law, would NOT have been issued any ticket, and instead would have been given an escort.

Scenario 3:
An off duty cop (or paramedic, or firefighter, or surgeon, or active duty veteran) gets called in to the scene of an unfolding emergency. He’s rushing to get to work to save a life or 2. He doesn’t have time to sit behind a motorist. So, he executes a safe pass (clear line of sight, speed safe for the vehicle and conditions). The motorist, shakes his head, doesn’t do anything stupid by taking the law into his own hands and assaulting him with his vehicle, and drives on. The rider gets where he needs to be without incident, and saves a life or 2. The rider, if he’d been stopped by a duly appointed officer of the law, would NOT have been issued any ticket, and instead would have been given an escort.

Scenario 4:
A Father gets called to the emergency room of the local hospital because his little daughter was hit by a car in the street (She’s a total piece of shit, no ATGATT and jaywalking!!!). He’s rushing to get to the hospital to say goodbye to her before she dies. He doesn’t have time to sit behind a motorist. So, he executes a safe pass (clear line of sight, speed safe for the vehicle and conditions). The motorist, shakes his head, doesn’t do anything stupid by taking the law into his own hands and assaulting him with his vehicle, and drives on. The rider gets where he needs to be without incident and says goodbye to his daughter. The rider, if he’d been stopped by a duly appointed officer of the law, would NOT have been issued any ticket, and instead would have been given an escort.

So, it should be clear then even to the simplest of you, that the variable that 100% CAUSED that accident was the car driver, Mr. Crum, and that’s EXACTLY why the DA is going after him. Crum would have hit ANY rider passing him. So who the f#ck are any of you to go after the rider for making a couple simple mistakes that YOU have already made or are still making? Who the f#ck are any of you to go after the riders children who, regardless of the minor traffic infractions of the Father, are 100% innocent and now in a world of shit financially? “Saints and privileged punks” indeed, very apt…..

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Let's all take away from this then that car drivers suck, they are our enemies, we should hate them, and enjoy seeing them suffer when they hurt us, as there is nothing we can learn from this situation to help us mitigate these situations in our own rides in the future. We are powerless motorcycle riders who can only spout revenge and let the law handle this situation. /sarcam

LOLZ Well, if that's your takeaway, so be it. I won't spoon feed it to ya. In the end, spoon feeding us only teaches us the shape of the spoon. I still love ya though!

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

God damn!!! EVERYTHING goes to shit on this site!!!!

You should join the BMW site, they actually have adults and adult discussions there.....

[Spooph]

I hope you no longer wonder why I don't ride with you. I won't ride with a would-be victim.

[daemon]

“Saints and privileged punks” indeed, very apt…..

I like you too Frank... LOL

[daemon]

At what point does one take responsibility for their own life? really take it easy on this thing".

You forget my friend how sue happy people are now days.
It's no longer the age of enlightenment, but the age of entitlement.

If there was a go fund me back when I needed it. I would have used it and laid blame on the people responsible.

The rider may not be the posh lovely prepared rider we all hope for, but he certainly will not receive my judgment.
Everything he's done. I have done as well

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I hope you no longer wonder why I don't ride with you. I won't ride with a would-be victim.

Bwahahaha! "Would-be victim"? SRSLY, are you shitting me? Man, that's funny. I've always copped guilty to any and all traffic infractions that I actually did, which was almost every time I've been stopped. Geez, let's see:
1. "M" endorsement since '83.
2. Fully insured since '83.
3. About 250,000 miles and very few incidents at all, all of them minor.
4. Hardly ever get any traffic tickets at all.
5. ALWAYS wear proper gear.
6. Don't ride like a squid.
7. NEVER rode like the kids these days doing wheelies and weaving thru traffic, even when I was a kid. (Had too many friends who did stupid crap and wrecked).
8. Ride safely, if at an, ah, elevated, pace sometimes.
9. Safe bike, well-maintained, with no sketchy parts or equipment violations.

Geez, I thought it was because I would have to unplug 3 of my 4 plug wires so you could keep me in sight.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

...game.....set....match. Guess the kiddies got off the short bus and went home.

[daemon]

[Ezzzzy1]

I love how you keep proclaiming your victories CM I WIN I WIN

Its even more amusing how you waste half you day writing novels on here about hypothetical mumbo jumbo that you think proves some point about how the motorcyclest that got hit was somehow justified in 1 being a dumbass and 2 riding like one.

[Ezzzzy1]

You forget my friend how sue happy people are now days.
It's no longer the age of enlightenment, but the age of entitlement.

If there was a go fund me back when I needed it. I would have used it and laid blame on the people responsible.

The rider may not be the posh lovely prepared rider we all hope for, but he certainly will not receive my judgment.
Everything he's done. I have done as well

Everything? You have ridden without your endorsement? Without insurance? Without gear? NICE!

Id love to see the lawsuit from a guy that wasnt even legal to be driving anything let alone a motorcycle that was passing illegally while speeding.

To add to my point, if he was legal, had his license even while breaking the passing and speed laws he may have had a leg to get all sue happy on and being the type of guy he probably would have instead of realizing that his dumb ass was in the wrong.

[Ezzzzy1]

And CM, head on over to any of the AUTO forums ie mustang, corvette, GTR etc... They will eat you alive with your narrow minded bubble

I suppose im in the minority on a motorcycle forum, calling the motorcycle rider out but EVERYWHERE else they are tearing the rider a new asshole.

[daemon]

Everything? You have ridden without your endorsement? Without insurance? Without gear? NICE!
.

Yes, yes and yes.
But I grew up and learned how to limit being judgmental.

[~Barn~]

Forums on forums on forums... Forget all that. We all just need play a cash Poker game together sometime!


Connect4? Anything!?

What's your game CM? I'm guessing you're an Othello enthusiast. (?)

[daemon]

Can I bring my chess board and zombie cards

[Ezzzzy1]

Yes, yes and yes.
But I grew up and learned how to limit being judgmental.

Well how about this... Drop your insurance, ditch the gear and get your license revoked. If you dont want to do that then we agree, its that simple.

[~Barn~]

:googles zombie cards: