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    Re: Denver PDs fines

    I'm sure we will never know the outcome of this but I would love to know:

    Are Denver PD required to be on their telephone while driving? If so how are they enforcing the distraction laws?

    Is there a law against using a federally mandated safety device? If so does that mean we can remove the horn from all our vehicles?


    Also he seems to make a traffic stop without using his supplied safety equipment(sirens and lights) which technically you don't have to pull over without the use of both by an officer.

    I would think a good attorney will have a hey day with this. I would hope Denver PD would get it thrown out or drop charges to save the guy some embarrassment.
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    Re: Denver PDs fines

    It's not road rage to merely honk your horn. That cop needs anger management. I like how the motorcyclist handled it.

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    Re: Denver PDs fines

    This is fucking outrageous.

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    He should of done a quick beep on the horn about the time he got back in the car... Yea, probably not.
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    Re: Denver PDs fines

    only road rage I see is from the cop. but hey you have it on video from a police officer that using your phone while driving is perfectly safe.

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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Rider should have just mind his own business. Cop would have eventually proceeded with his beat.

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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    I couldn't tell it was a cop from behind. Was that his personal vehicle and was he off the clock? Either way it's pretty annoying to watch go down.

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    Re: Denver PDs fines

    Quote Originally Posted by #1Townie View Post
    only road rage I see is from the cop. but hey you have it on video from a police officer that using your phone while driving is perfectly safe.
    So many wrongs with that guy.....

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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Quote Originally Posted by j0ker View Post
    I couldn't tell it was a cop from behind. Was that his personal vehicle and was he off the clock? Either way it's pretty annoying to watch go down.
    to question authority. just do as you are told.

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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Quote Originally Posted by #1Townie View Post
    to question authority. just do as you are told.
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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    I blame weed....
    Ha .......

    Yeah that's what I think too.
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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps View Post
    Are Denver PD required to be on their telephone while driving? If so how are they enforcing the distraction laws?

    Is there a law against using a federally mandated safety device? If so does that mean we can remove the horn from all our vehicles?


    Also he seems to make a traffic stop without using his supplied safety equipment(sirens and lights) which technically you don't have to pull over without the use of both by an officer.

    I would think a good attorney will have a hey day with this. I would hope Denver PD would get it thrown out or drop charges to save the guy some embarrassment.
    No department will come out and say their Officers are required to talk and drive, but Officers more-or-less are. Being on a phone is not against the law in Colorado, however impeding traffic is, which is what he did because of his phone. On the other hand, Officers have some immunity from those laws because of everything else that's happening while driving. While you're headed to work, he's being advised of a pursuit and trying to judge where exactly it's heading. Not saying the Officer's actions are excused, especially after he gets out of his car, but there are any number of a thousand good reasons why he could have been not going.

    I remove the horns from all of my bikes, I'm not sure of the legalities surrounding this though.

    Incorrect. An Officer can detain somebody in a variety of ways. The courts ask if a reasonable person would feel the Officer is trying to detain them. For example, California Supreme Court has a ruled that an Officer on foot pointing at you, then holding his hand up in a "stop" position is enough to enact a constitutional detention.

    Honking your horn is not against the law. It could be, if you were doing it to harass people or be disorderly, or if using it as road rage. To me, this doesn't even begin to approach a level in which the rider could be charged.

    Quote Originally Posted by j0ker View Post
    I couldn't tell it was a cop from behind. Was that his personal vehicle and was he off the clock? Either way it's pretty annoying to watch go down.
    I believe it is an agency car. But to me, it doesn't matter whose car it is or if he is on or off the clock. He is acting in his capacity as a Police Officer, identifying himself as such, so he's essentially on-duty no matter what.

    I think the rider over-reacted to begin with. The second long honk and hand actions were not appropriate. But the Officer's reaction was completely out of line in my opinion.

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    Re: Denver PDs finest

    If he over-reacts that way to a couple horn honks, how much will he over-react in a real tense situation? Good thing he has a gun because I am sure he will always make the right decision, just hope your dog doesn't bark at this ass or he will shoot it for acting in a "threatening manner."

    Blocking traffic for 7 minutes? Clearly whatever he was doing on his phone wasn't too important given he had 7 minutes to act like a grade a douche in the middle of the road.

    I don't get why cops get no respect, this is a one in a million incident. Now where is that sarcasm button?


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    Re: Denver PD being a super dickhead. - Road rage from honking

    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Incorrect. An Officer can detain somebody in a variety of ways. The courts ask if a reasonable person would feel the Officer is trying to detain them. For example, California Supreme Court has a ruled that an Officer on foot pointing at you, then holding his hand up in a "stop" position is enough to enact a constitutional detention.


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    Re: Denver PDs finest

    Quote Originally Posted by JKOL View Post
    If he over-reacts that way to a couple horn honks, how much will he over-react in a real tense situation? Good thing he has a gun because I am sure he will always make the right decision, just hope your dog doesn't bark at this ass or he will shoot it for acting in a "threatening manner."

    Blocking traffic for 7 minutes? Clearly whatever he was doing on his phone wasn't too important given he had 7 minutes to act like a grade a douche in the middle of the road.

    I don't get why cops get no respect, this is a one in a million incident. Now where is that sarcasm button?
    I've blocked an entire interstate for several hours. There are reasons for this. I'm not saying his was one of them, but we also can't discount it either. If this was the case he probably could have, and should have, put his lights on, but it isn't required. I'm not saying what he was doing was legitimate, but it could have been, you don't know. At any rate, his interaction with the citizen was inappropriate IMO.

    If you think this is "normal," I encourage you to PM me and setup a ride-along. I'll give you 10 hours, 30 calls for service, 200 citizen contacts, and who knows all what else. You'll see what's normal. It amounts to a level of patience and restraint that I wouldn't expect of anyone, even a Police Officer.

    You're not perfect. You have bad days. There are days you have a short temper, and react poorly to a situation. There are days you make your wife seriously consider a divorce. But then she thinks about it, you guys talk together calmy, and she forgives you. Does the Officer not deserve the same?

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    Re: Denver PDs finest

    As a former military cop, I can definitely empathize with having to deal with dozens of a-holes on a daily basis. However, police (and military personnel) are generally held to a much higher standard than civilians because they deal with the public and are empowered to detain, arrest, restrain, and even use deadly force. Police departments invest so much time, money and training in confrontation management/de-escalation, and departments place great emphasis on maintaining a professional demeanor at all times. In my book, anyone who carries a firearm as part of their daily job should be confident enough to ask for counseling when going through an emotional trough that is affecting their job performance (divorce, death of a loved one, PTSD, depression, burnout, etc.). Once an incident occurs, it's too late to come clean and say, "I've been going through a lot lately, and I need help."

    Related story: http://www.danielrrosen.com/2010/11/...up-about-ptsd/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatos View Post
    As a former military cop, I can definitely empathize with having to deal with dozens of a-holes on a daily basis. However, police (and military personnel) are generally held to a much higher standard than civilians because they deal with the public and are empowered to detain, arrest, restrain, and even use deadly force. Police departments invest so much time, money and training in confrontation management/de-escalation, and departments place great emphasis on maintaining a professional demeanor at all times. In my book, anyone who carries a firearm as part of their daily job should be confident enough to ask for counseling when going through an emotional trough that is affecting their job performance (divorce, death of a loved one, PTSD, depression, burnout, etc.). Once an incident occurs, it's too late to come clean and say, "I've been going through a lot lately, and I need help."

    Related story: http://www.danielrrosen.com/2010/11/...up-about-ptsd/
    most of the cops on YouTube must have missed the de-escalate classes. lol

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