All the VWs down by PPIR

[Captain Obvious]

I haven't been down that way for a while, and have been 4-5 times in the last couple of days. The rows and rows of VWs are pretty hard to miss. I thought they were overflow from a dealer and then started thinking about it. I bet they are all the turned in VWs from the exhaust drama.

Does anyone know for sure? I was trying to quickly count as I went by. There is what over a thousand?

[The Black Knight]

From what I gather they are from the recall issue. My friends brother had to turn his VW back in because of the issue.

[madvlad]

Buy backs. We saw them on our way to COTA

[Aaron]

How can I buy one? That's what I want to know.

[The Black Knight]

How can I buy one? That's what I want to know.

I don't think they will sell those. They are being bought back from customers because they can't and never will pass emissions so I'm thinking they will junk those in the buy back program. If you lived in the county you wouldn't need to emissions test the diesel. But living in a city it is still required.

[madvlad]

Yeah those are tagged off as a non sale car. They're most likely off to the crusher

[Aaron]

That straight pisses me off. Emissions testing won't be an issue, and no matter what they're a hell of a lot better than a Dodge Cummins. But because VW lied or cheated they're going to just crush every car?

Anyone down to steal a couple?

[Nolan]

Because crushing would be environmentally friendly.

[The Black Knight]

That straight pisses me off. Emissions testing won't be an issue, and no matter what they're a hell of a lot better than a Dodge Cummins. But because VW lied or cheated they're going to just crush every car?

Anyone down to steal a couple?

Not sure about that man. I've owned two Dodge Cummins, a 5.9 and a 6.7 and both of them passed with flying colors at the emissions testing. Now, I've never seen a VW tested on the dyno but I'm sure they do them the same as the trucks. However, I'd like to see the test procedure as I'm sure it has to be different. If you were to simulate the kind of a load a truck receives and put the VW through the paces, it will probably break the car. For my trucks, they measured EGT's, opacity, EGR & DPF in place and a few other things.

So if VW can't get their cars to pass, that tells me that they are obviously way out of compliance for given values that their cars should be within.

FWIW, my 6.7 Dodge was bone stock. My 5.9 was mildly modified, with full exhaust, intake horn + intake and programmed. I also returned my truck to a stock setting for the emissions testing but with the other two mods, it should have driven my opacity levels higher but it didn't. It would puff a cloud but not enough to fail the truck.

[Aaron]

Obviously Nolan is sarcasming.

Black Knight, I'm not saying the Cummins is filthy, I know they pass emissions. But the tests have different passing standards depending on the car. There's no way in hell a Cummins will pass if the testing thought it was testing a 2.0 Jetta. That amount of power, there are going to be significantly higher harmful gas output, there's no getting around that. The Cummins, all the truck diesels, are allowed scores higher levels than a Jetta.

The issue lies in that VW learned how EPA begins the testing procedure, and the TDi cars when put through those beginning phases, then automatically switch to a cleaner ECU map. But even on the "dirty" maps that will be used everyday by you and me, the engines are still good performers, even on emissions.

The "cheating" was done mainly for increased federal funding, and so that VW could keep power output competitive without having to upgrade the TDi every few years like the truck diesels have had to.

I'm not certain VW was all that bad. Every car manufacturer has significant tricks for the EPA cycle. Ford has used specific gear ratios in the new V6 engines for the EPA cycle, designing the ratios solely so the engine performs better in testing. On the BMW 335 turbo spool is deliberately delayed on the stock maps so that it won't spool during the EPA cycles. VW just took it a half step further by making specific fueling maps that'd likely never be used in normal driving.

[asp_125]

They're not the only ones. Fiat Chrysler has been accused by the EPA for software cheating as well. But, the point may be moot, with the current administration gutting the EPA and the anti-environmental leanings of the government. Who knows, maybe all those TDIs could be on the road again?

[One-ops]

Last I heard an approved fix for u.s models should be here by june. You will then be able to buy them once repaired. I hope. That might all change but that was that thing released. This will be the new 2015-16 2.0's that are left. The 3.0 already has an approved fix. We wont ever see new tdi's here. With the right form I've heard you can buy a used one. I haven't been able to find one though. Sad I've found the exact optioned car several times that I want and they cant let me buy it and can't find new gasers optioned how I'd like. Super sad day.

[Captain Obvious]

Aaron, we can load a ton of them onto a flat bed and export to Cuba. They don't care about emissions or titles.

I get there is a legal aspect to the "not for sale" but I wonder what the environmental impact of building all them, recalling, having all the new replacement cars built and then crushing. Just seems wasteful.

Trying to find a clear single article, but the Cummings is apparently one of the cleanest of the big diesels. Per one news release, it has been 3 years ahead of emissions standards.