The anti-gun idiots will be going ape shit over this one!!!

[#1Townie]

Nate you are confusing rounds down range vs rounds on target. just because you can get more rounds down range does not mean you are going to be able to kill more people.

like in the video you posted. sure he gets a lot of rounds down range real fast but how many actually hit anything?

see I didn't agree with you because life isn't black and white. in an open mall I would fear a rifle shooter much more than a pistol shooter. range... accuracy... all that fun stuff. in a kill box like a church? we should be thankful he didn't use a saiga with a 20 round drum shooting slugs. different situations calls for different firearms. that's why house clearing is typically done with a pistol or tactical shotgun.

while yes a rifle can be extremely deadly so can any firearm used the way it was designed. a 9mm pistol on an extremely crowded subway? that could do a lot of damage where a rifle the guy probably wouldn't even get a shot off because he wouldn't be able to raise it. maybe. hopefully no nut tests this theory.

as for the slide fire stock... honestly man there is a million different ways to make a semi auto firearm fire like a full auto.

because I know how much you love fat people I found this video just for you. lol

https://youtu.be/BOnOlLM9EYQ

life just isn't black and white and scenario is the same.

[j0ker]

Nate you are confusing rounds down range vs rounds on target. just because you can get more rounds down range does not mean you are going to be able to kill more people.

This ^^^, that church was literally like shooting fish in a barrel. It wouldn't have mattered much if it was pistol or rifle because everything was going to hit in that densely packed room.

[bulldog]

This ^^^, that church was literally like shooting fish in a barrel. It wouldn't have mattered much if it was pistol or rifle because everything was going to hit in that densely packed room.

ok so educate me. Doesn't a rifle shot have a higher velocity. So couldn't it hit one persons and go through them to hit another? I'm talking like a 9mm vs a ar15.

really not trying to start drama. I just see how fast these guns shoot on these videos and it's nowhere near what my 9mm can fire. My 9mm holds like 12 bullets but my friends ar-15 holds like 25 plus. So to me I'd think 25 will always be greater than 12; therefore a higher kill

[#1Townie]

ok so educate me. Doesn't a rifle shot have a higher velocity. So couldn't it hit one persons and go through them to hit another? I'm talking like a 9mm vs a ar15.

really not trying to start drama. I just see how fast these guns shoot on these videos and it's nowhere near what my 9mm can fire. My 9mm holds like 12 bullets but my friends ar-15 holds like 25 plus. So to me I'd think 25 will always be greater than 12; therefore a higher kill

now you're getting into penetrating. or over penetrating actually. pistols can do this as well.

[The Black Knight]

Wow, all this because I compared a handgun to a Ruger556 (AR-15) which I thought was pretty obvious it was a superior gun.

Ok, to sum it up.....I don't think these type of guns will ever be banned....they are here to stay. Yet, you guys clearly love and cherish these weapons and that is fine, but realize this "love" has also lead to them being very easy to obtain by protecting this 2nd amendment. So if one of your loved ones dies in one of these mass shootings (I pray that never happens), understand that the "love" for these guns and second amendment has basically allowed these guns to be out in the hands of crazy people (you may feel different if it hits home). Basically we reap what we sow and that is all I am saying.....

And I do get your guys position too....be equally armed as not much else we can do......in America this is our choice


Damn, I really just want to hear if Wicky is playing the new Gran Turismo and how it is....thinking of getting it, but $60 right now is rough considering it's probably similar to the last one (yet loved that game). Wicky, tell me!!!!!

See I wasn't saying you are for the banning of AR15's or pistols. What I was asking and I think you missed the question, is if you're for changing the 2nd Amendment, then are you o.k. with everything else within the Constitution being changed??

That was the premise of my question. It wasn't about specific weapons but that you seem o.k. with tampering with the Constitution. So, I think you kind of missed the point or purposely dodged the question. I'll ask again(usually I won't ask twice, because a person's first response or lack thereof is their most true and revealing) but are you willing to stand by your convictions and say that it is fine for the Constitution to be changed as some see fit??

Because once you allow an Amendment to be changed, that sets precedent for all of the others within the Bill of Rights to be changed as well. It's the proverbial, "not being able to put that genie back in the bottle" scenario. Because one you start allowing for the tampering, changing or limiting of freedoms within our Bill of Rights, is the moment you start down the path of oppression and tyranny. If you restrict or even altogether do away with the 2nd Amendment, what then is there left to stop "them(the powers that be)" from coming for the rest of your liberties??

There's a reason the 2nd Amendment is placed right after the 1st Amendment. That is because 1st we must use our voices and show reason and have civil discourse in times of trouble. When all else fails, when our voice of opposition is being silenced, then it is our duty as citizens to protect our liberties with the 2nd Amendment. The Framer's put those two Amendments right next to each other to remind us of what they just went through. When the voice of the people wasn't listened too, then the sound of the gun must be hearkened too.

You say, "we reap what we sow" and that goes for you as well. By allowing rights to be trampled upon, you will reap the whirlwinds of strife of oppression and tyranny.

So what will suffice you? Living with freedoms and liberties as we always have. Dealing with mass shootings that are a cause of mentally ill/unstable individuals and look for ways to improve in the mental health aspect.

or

Live under the oppressive thumb of a dominating government that has taken away all of your rights, your voice, your life and your pursuit of happiness. To then in turn be considered nothing more than cattle, fatted up for when the slaughter will inevitably take place.

"we keep you alive to serve this ship, row well and live..." <------ is that the life you're fine living with??

ok so educate me. Doesn't a rifle shot have a higher velocity. So couldn't it hit one persons and go through them to hit another? I'm talking like a 9mm vs a ar15.

really not trying to start drama. I just see how fast these guns shoot on these videos and it's nowhere near what my 9mm can fire. My 9mm holds like 12 bullets but my friends ar-15 holds like 25 plus. So to me I'd think 25 will always be greater than 12; therefore a higher kill

Depends on the ballistics and the bullet. Are we talking FMJ's vs. Accubond, Ballistic, Partition tip??

FMJ(full metal jacket) rounds are designed to rip through a target. Most FMJ's are steel core wrapped in a copper jacket.

Accubond, Ballistic, Partition tip rounds are designed to mushroom upon impact. The point of these rounds is to expand to a large as possible size, inflict maximum damage upon entry and not exit the target.

Yes, the rifle round will have a higher velocity but it will also have a much smaller grain bullet. The average .223/5.56 round is between 52 and 60gr in size, traveling close to 3000fps with a muzzle energy of 1400lbs. 9mm by contrast is a much larger caliber(9mm = .354inchs), travels around 1100fps(depending on either common ammo or +P ammo) and has a muzzle energy of around 350lbs. 9mm rounds can vary in size from 115gr to 147gr in size. That is a considerable size difference between the two. Also, most performance 9mm ammo(self-defense) is hollow point ammo. It's made with an expandable jacket, meaning it is designed to deal the most damage upon impact.

So while yes you are right in that a rifle is deadly and can deal lots of damage. It all depends on the round used. You can load 80gr solid lead bullets in a .223 and they won't over penetrate the way a 62gr FMJ will. Same as 9mm FMJ's have the ability to penetrate walls better than a more powerful self-defense round would, due to expansion because of bullet design.

[bulldog]

See I wasn't saying you are for the banning of AR15's or pistols. What I was asking and I think you missed the question, is if you're for changing the 2nd Amendment, then are you o.k. with everything else within the Constitution being changed??

That was the premise of my question. It wasn't about specific weapons but that you seem o.k. with tampering with the Constitution. So, I think you kind of missed the point or purposely dodged the question. I'll ask again(usually I won't ask twice, because a person's first response or lack thereof is their most true and revealing) but are you willing to stand by your convictions and say that it is fine for the Constitution to be changed as some see fit??

Because once you allow an Amendment to be changed, that sets precedent for all of the others within the Bill of Rights to be changed as well. It's the proverbial, "not being able to put that genie back in the bottle" scenario. Because one you start allowing for the tampering, changing or limiting of freedoms within our Bill of Rights, is the moment you start down the path of oppression and tyranny. If you restrict or even altogether do away with the 2nd Amendment, what then is there left to stop "them(the powers that be)" from coming for the rest of your liberties??

There's a reason the 2nd Amendment is placed right after the 1st Amendment. That is because 1st we must use our voices and show reason and have civil discourse in times of trouble. When all else fails, when our voice of opposition is being silenced, then it is our duty as citizens to protect our liberties with the 2nd Amendment. The Framer's put those two Amendments right next to each other to remind us of what they just went through. When the voice of the people wasn't listened too, then the sound of the gun must be hearkened too.

You say, "we reap what we sow" and that goes for you as well. By allowing rights to be trampled upon, you will reap the whirlwinds of strife of oppression and tyranny.

So what will suffice you? Living with freedoms and liberties as we always have. Dealing with mass shootings that are a cause of mentally ill/unstable individuals and look for ways to improve in the mental health aspect.

or

Live under the oppressive thumb of a dominating government that has taken away all of your rights, your voice, your life and your pursuit of happiness. To then in turn be considered nothing more than cattle, fatted up for when the slaughter will inevitably take place.

"we keep you alive to serve this ship, row well and live..." <------ is that the life you're fine living with??




Depends on the ballistics and the bullet. Are we talking FMJ's vs. Accubond, Ballistic, Partition tip??

FMJ(full metal jacket) rounds are designed to rip through a target. Most FMJ's are steel core wrapped in a copper jacket.

Accubond, Ballistic, Partition tip rounds are designed to mushroom upon impact. The point of these rounds is to expand to a large as possible size, inflict maximum damage upon entry and not exit the target.

Yes, the rifle round will have a higher velocity but it will also have a much smaller grain bullet. The average .223/5.56 round is between 52 and 60gr in size, traveling close to 3000fps with a muzzle energy of 1400lbs. 9mm by contrast is a much larger caliber(9mm = .354inchs), travels around 1100fps(depending on either common ammo or +P ammo) and has a muzzle energy of around 350lbs. 9mm rounds can vary in size from 115gr to 147gr in size. That is a considerable size difference between the two. Also, most performance 9mm ammo(self-defense) is hollow point ammo. It's made with an expandable jacket, meaning it is designed to deal the most damage upon impact.

So while yes you are right in that a rifle is deadly and can deal lots of damage. It all depends on the round used. You can load 80gr solid lead bullets in a .223 and they won't over penetrate the way a 62gr FMJ will. Same as 9mm FMJ's have the ability to penetrate walls better than a more powerful self-defense round would, due to expansion because of bullet design.

I don't know man, I was under the impression the constitution had been changed a few times in the past

In the past 200 years, the Constitution has been amended 27 times
https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/...ved-over-time/


Really busy today at work, so doubt I will be joining in much on this topic.......plus kind of over it. Honestly just answered since you asked twice and didn't wan to seem like a dick by ignoring you since I did read what you posted and appreciate the education/insight/opinion.