The anti-gun idiots will be going ape shit over this one!!!

[bulldog]

You guys see this new development????

Police change timeline, say Vegas gunman shot security guard 6 minutes before opening fire on concert <-click

LAS VEGAS — Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

[#1Townie]

You guys see this new development????

Police change timeline, say Vegas gunman shot security guard 6 minutes before opening fire on concert <-click

LAS VEGAS — Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

not sure how much faster they want police to deploy to a situation like this. I'm still impressed.

[The Black Knight]

You guys see this new development????

Police change timeline, say Vegas gunman shot security guard 6 minutes before opening fire on concert <-click

LAS VEGAS — Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

I agree with you here. I do find the response time a little odd and heard this on the radio today that it was six minutes before the mass shooting took place. Like I say, this whole thing just keeps on "NOT" adding up. I think there are things they aren't going to tell the public and we may never know.

Even the girl that cuts my hair, today told me she thought it sounded like two shooters and also sounded close to a belt fed weapon(keep in mind she's very pro-gun and loves to shoot). This was without me even bringing it up. Once she brought it up, we traded all kinds of theories and thoughts on what happened and even she said, there are things they aren't telling us and won't tell us.

[bulldog]

I agree with you here. I do find the response time a little odd and heard this on the radio today that it was six minutes before the mass shooting took place. Like I say, this whole thing just keeps on "NOT" adding up. I think there are things they aren't going to tell the public and we may never know.

Even the girl that cuts my hair, today told me she thought it sounded like two shooters and also sounded close to a belt fed weapon(keep in mind she's very pro-gun and loves to shoot). This was without me even bringing it up. Once she brought it up, we traded all kinds of theories and thoughts on what happened and even she said, there are things they aren't telling us and won't tell us.

You notice a lot of the videos you posted have been taken down. Even the one with the girl saying she heard someone threaten 45 minutes before. These videos are dropping like flies and not sure exactly why????

[Kim-n-Dean]

... These videos are dropping like flies and not sure exactly why????

Because they're total bull shit!!

I picked up my new .308 last night and you should have heard the morons at the gun store. Talking about Vegas and 9/11. BK would have fit right in.

But then again, what do I know. I don't have a hair stylist, I cut my own...

[bulldog]

Because they're total bull shit!!

I picked up my new .308 last night and you should have heard the morons at the gun store. Talking about Vegas and 9/11. BK would have fit right in.

But then again, what do I know. I don't have a hair stylist, I cut my own...

Yeah but there are thousands of "fake" videos on Youtube that are not removed. Even finding a music video you see many fake videos till you get the real one.


The one with the girl was not fake as she even came back and said now she was not so sure and was probably a coincidence; like we all knew, but not like this was some actor....just a misunderstanding is how I took it.


Not making anything "conspiracy", just saw they were gone and disappearing fast.


Well what do you expect at a gun store.....nobody has said shit about it at the gym, but guns are not allowed in the building at all.

[The Black Knight]

But then again, what do I know. I don't have a hair stylist, I cut my own...

All I hear is........ Jealousy!!!

[Kim-n-Dean]

I love being married. Comin' up on thirty years. Damn, that's a long time to be fuckin' the same chick!!

[The Black Knight]

I love being married. Comin' up on thirty years. Damn, that's a long time to be fuckin' the same chick!!

TThat is a long time, I was 7 years old when you got married. Those kinds of marriages aren't the rule anymore. My grandparents went 61 years before my grandfather died. My folks are coming up on 40 years. But in 2017, ain't a snowballs chance in hell of a modern day marriage lasting that long.

[bulldog]

I love being married. Comin' up on thirty years. Damn, that's a long time to be fuckin' the same chick!!

Hey regular p*ssy is better than none. Not to mention safer....plus I feel it is way better feeling without condoms


From what I've seen your relationship is what I always have strived for; to be like best friends. If you are not friends with your gf/wife and don't really like being around her, it won't work out. They want you to change, again doubt it will work out. With me I can be myself and not act fake and my wife loves me for me and we do things as friends and lovers. It's just about finding the right one for you.....which sometimes means you will not get the perfect woman (no perfect humans exist), so it is about what you can and can't deal with in the end.

[madvlad]

Jesus even this one went off the rails

[The Black Knight]

This is how the CSC used to be, imminent derailment threat in every thread.

[madvlad]

Wouldn't have it any other way haha, seems like the off-topic is women and relationships

[Kim-n-Dean]

With all the YouTube experts, we should be able to prove all these conspiracy theories as true. Add in all the hair stylists, and we can solve all the worlds problems.

Fine, the government is behind all this stuff. What cracks me up is all the idiots that think they know how a building should perform when it's hit by an airplane. The dude flips hamburgers at McDonald's and can't get your order right, but thinks he knows structural engineering.

I use this as an example because it was exactly what was being talked about at the gun store the other day. This idiot says, "the speed and size of those plane would have toppled those buildings when they hit."

Really? Well, they didn't topple. So, are you saying they were paper airplanes? What's your point?

I then said, "well, I happen to be an architect, and I can assure you that those buildings performed exactly how engineers expected." All of a sudden no one had anything to say. How can you argue engineering with someone who does it for a living!

Most of this stuff comes down to one idiot talking to anther idiot. Of course they agree with each other...

Damn, I almost posted a BK style book.

[j0ker]

Most of this stuff comes down to one idiot talking to anther idiot. Of course they agree with each other...

Exactly!

[#1Townie]

okay so let's talk about conspiracy. Vegas shooter was an inside job.... because it doesn't make sense... right?

okay second shooter yet no other windows are broken out.... must have got that second shooters window fixed real damn fast. not like it's hard to fix those kinds of windows. lol. not all. lol.

oh shit.... single shot rounds? well he was firing semi auto rifles.... so one could easily say there would be single shot rounds fired..... oh wait this is a conspiracy...


come on man. you know what makes even less sense? this conspiracy bullshit. what's the goal of this? risk vs reward time.

so Soros and whoever came up with this plan to kill this random dude and a shit ton of people all in the sake of gun control right? right? that's what we are saying. well let's use some logic here. some real world logic.

what in your right mind thinks that this will change anything? okay the atf will end up taking a look at these stocks. you really think we are going to get anymore gun control from this? with a president who is pro 2a. a republican controlled Congress.... they couldn't pull it off when it was Obama and a school shooting. come on man. real world time. this Congress already knows the majority of us are pissed and passing another Brady bill would be the end of most of their political careers.

so risk vs reward. the risk is major. if anyone fucks up and gets them outed it's a death sentence. getting caught doing something like this would literally be a death sentence. not just for those who organized it but the entire Democratic party.

all for gun control that they have no way in hell pulling off.


come on man. open your eyes and see past the bullshit.

you keep saying it doesn't add up.... the story we are getting from the news adds up a hell of a lot more than this conspiracy bullshit.

basically you are saying that this government who can't even figure out taxes and healthcare can not once... not twice... but numerous times pulled off all these shootings and cover ups. lol.

get real bud. they couldn't even smuggle cocaine without getting caught.

[The Black Knight]

With all the YouTube experts, we should be able to prove all these conspiracy theories as true. Add in all the hair stylists, and we can solve all the worlds problems.

Fine, the government is behind all this stuff. What cracks me up is all the idiots that think they know how a building should perform when it's hit by an airplane. The dude flips hamburgers at McDonald's and can't get your order right, but thinks he knows structural engineering.

I use this as an example because it was exactly what was being talked about at the gun store the other day. This idiot says, "the speed and size of those plane would have toppled those buildings when they hit."

Really? Well, they didn't topple. So, are you saying they were paper airplanes? What's your point?

I then said, "well, I happen to be an architect, and I can assure you that those buildings performed exactly how engineers expected." All of a sudden no one had anything to say. How can you argue engineering with someone who does it for a living!

Most of this stuff comes down to one idiot talking to anther idiot. Of course they agree with each other...

Damn, I almost posted a BK style book.

O.k. I'm not arguing 9/11 and I'll admit I'm not a structural engineer or architect. However, I do know guns and know them well. Have roughly 100K+ rounds I've shot in my life and know the difference in report from pistol to rifle to magnum rifle to LMG.

Again, I'm not talking YouTube experts, I'm talking live video taken from people that were there at the shooting. Unless there is some serious video editing going on, you can definitively tell from videos I've seen that there are at least two shooters. Especially with the videos I've seen of the over-lapping fire happening at the same time.

And just to give you some first person experience, one of our power plants borders the land next to Fort Carson here. I've been close the ranges doing work and have heard the Blackhawks doing training. And believe it or not, their cannon mounted guns have zero echo next to all the hills and valleys that are there. Granted, earth, stones, peaks and valleys will give off different acoustic feedback versus concrete jungle and buildings that Las Vegas has to offer. But I've still have yet to hear the Blackhawks .50 cal cannon have echo that everyone says they hear.

Now I will give you that there is echo, I've heard it in the videos I've seen. The problem I have is the echo that's in the distance starts first vs. the gun heard over the cab driver. It would be different if the gun fire heard over the cab driver always occurred first and then you hear the echo in the distance. So it's a little give and take when listening to the videos.

And lastly, everyone will have their opinion or point of view on how they hear things. Just because someone is a hair stylist doesn't make them any less of a person to what they hear. That's what I can't stand about you college bred pukes. You all thumb your nose and look down on those that have less than prestigious vocations than yourselves.

Remind me again of how you college educated folks with all your analysis and brain power said Trump had zero chance of winning?? Oh yeah that's right, how did November 2016 taste???

okay so let's talk about conspiracy. Vegas shooter was an inside job.... because it doesn't make sense... right?

okay second shooter yet no other windows are broken out.... must have got that second shooters window fixed real damn fast. not like it's hard to fix those kinds of windows. lol. not all. lol.

oh shit.... single shot rounds? well he was firing semi auto rifles.... so one could easily say there would be single shot rounds fired..... oh wait this is a conspiracy...


come on man. you know what makes even less sense? this conspiracy bullshit. what's the goal of this? risk vs reward time.

so Soros and whoever came up with this plan to kill this random dude and a shit ton of people all in the sake of gun control right? right? that's what we are saying. well let's use some logic here. some real world logic.

what in your right mind thinks that this will change anything? okay the atf will end up taking a look at these stocks. you really think we are going to get anymore gun control from this? with a president who is pro 2a. a republican controlled Congress.... they couldn't pull it off when it was Obama and a school shooting. come on man. real world time. this Congress already knows the majority of us are pissed and passing another Brady bill would be the end of most of their political careers.

so risk vs reward. the risk is major. if anyone fucks up and gets them outed it's a death sentence. getting caught doing something like this would literally be a death sentence. not just for those who organized it but the entire Democratic party.

all for gun control that they have no way in hell pulling off.


come on man. open your eyes and see past the bullshit.

you keep saying it doesn't add up.... the story we are getting from the news adds up a hell of a lot more than this conspiracy bullshit.

basically you are saying that this government who can't even figure out taxes and healthcare can not once... not twice... but numerous times pulled off all these shootings and cover ups. lol.

get real bud. they couldn't even smuggle cocaine without getting caught.

Townie, I'm not saying it's all a conspiracy. What I am saying is this particular active shooter doesn't add up. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Again, the window thing. Could they fix a second window on a different floor really fast? Sure if they had it planned that way. I'm not saying they did, just showing videos of people that said they saw muzzle flash from lower down on the building.

The single shots are more plausible to me. As I've said, I could hear a definitive audible difference to the single shots verse the automatic fire.

And this isn't directed at you or anyone but apparently people don't think that others like myself who do our own reloading know the difference in how a gun will sound with different loads. I've shot enough .223 and .308 vs magnum rounds to tell you the difference between all of them. And I don't care what anyone says, a .223, .270, .308 or .243 aren't magnum rounds. They are powerful rounds, yet they aren't magnums. They don't produce the same energy as a magnum, they won't produce the same high powered report that a magnum rifle will.

I've got a friend that's shot his .308 next to my .300 Ultra Mag and my ultra mag makes that .308 sound like cap gun. The .308 isn't a round to sneeze at either, yet you put it up next to a .300RUM, .375 H&H or .338 Lapua and the .308 isn't even in the same class. Even next to a .7MM or 300 Win Mag and the .308 is weak.

So for example, my .300 Ultra Mag comes in three powers levels of factory ammo. I've shot the level 1 and level 2 stuff. I reload my loads at power level 3. The power level one stuff is light and has very low recoil. It also doesn't have much of a crack when shot. Now, take my load of a 200gr bullet with 91grs of powder and when it goes boom, it goes BOOM!! Everyone hates shooting next to me with it and I don't even have a muzzle brake on it yet. It will be unbearable with a muzzle brake for anyone on the sides of me.

As far as more gun control. I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of pushing for more and more gun control legislation. Remember, it's all about getting just a little in, the whole toe in the door analogy. If they can get something, even if it's just to restrict bump stocks, then that's something. It's all about little wins for the gun control crowd.

I believe that the more and more these type of incidents happen, sooner or later people are going to start calling for the government to just do something, they don't care what just as long as the government does something. I believe, yes even pro-gun people will even be willing to trade their freedoms just so that it will seem that the government can do something about all of the mass shootings that are yet to come in the future. I for one will NOT be one of those people. I'll fight to maintain my freedoms and the freedoms of everyone else until I'm in the grave.

[Kim-n-Dean]

Okay, another BTW - I've shot a lot, too. Way before you were doing it!

[Kim-n-Dean]

BTW - I knew Trump was going to win as soon the "real" Hillary came out...

[The Black Knight]

Wow Grumpy Bear, must have ruffled some feathers with my last post.

Look whatever happened in your past is your past. The fact you take a dig at someone because they happened to be a hair stylist again points to your attitude that someone is beneath you based on what they do for a living.

I don't disclose what I do for a living as it's not your business.

I'm glad you've been shooting for longer than I've been alive, you still haven't proven to me you know anything about ballistics or the differences that have arisen between what people hear in the report of the guns being used. All you do seem to know is that if someone believes or has an opinion that is outside of yours, then they are obviously wrong. You may believe what you're being told by the MSM or government officials, but I don't.

I think we can all have beliefs and opinions as to what happened in Las Vegas. To me, I will still maintain my belief that there is a good possibility of multiple shooters and multiple weapons(meaning not all full auto, i.e. bolt action sniper) were used.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it pumpkin.

[The Black Knight]

[j0ker]

Wait....who is a hairstylist?!

Alex Jones is a trolling idiot.

[#1Townie]

I'm sorry man to keep my attention you are not going to be able to bring Alex Jones into the conversation for evidence. that guys nuts.

as for shooting. well considering you have shot... been around shooting.. you should have known from the get go it was a bump stock. I knew on the fourth video I watched as the rate of fire wasn't consistent.

as for your window theory? hahaha ummm.... no. those are not the same kind of windows that goes into your he and takes a lot of time to replace.

I am not sure what you don't like about this whole thing. I'm truly not. I can blow your conspiracy theories out of the water easy.

okay let's start on the getting the weapons into the hotel. okay... you have been around rifles and you should know that you could easily get 30 rifles broke down into a bag. easy. super easy. but that's assuming he did it in one shot. I mean.... not like he was there for several days... because.... you know.... how hard would it be to make a couple of trips?

oh I know it's so suspicious for a guy to walk through a hotel with a bag. lol. come on man.... this isn't some tiny hotel with ten people staying at it. a couple of heavy bags for a bell hop is just another day. there isn't video surveillance in the room and they would have only noticed something on the hallways if there would have been a reason to go and look. it's not like the movies where some guy is just sitting there looking at four screens waiting for someone to do something. so him being able to set some cameras up in the hall without being seen really isn't a stretch either. because again there's only a couple thousand people coming and going at all times. maybe a bit of an exaggeration but still.

last and definitely not least. this wasn't some tactical master. all you have to do is watch a couple of movies and you can learn what this guy was doing. elevated position with rifles with a high rate of fire into a crowd.


honestly just the body count tells me this isnt a two shooter situation. with only 58 dead there is no way there was a second shooter. zip... zero... nada.

if you would have thrown boots on the ground and started mag dumping into a crowd of 22k people we are no longer talking about 58 dead. we are now talking about body counts in the hundreds. think about it bro. I know you played call of duty. maybe a little airport scene?

but a shooter mag dumping into a crowd from 500+ yards out? yeah I can see the numbers. easy.

so I mean really. I'm not sure what you think stinks. it's all pretty on par for what I watched. every last bit of it. only thing missing is his motive but before you say you have something there understand that we never really hear about a motive with these things. why? because it's just some asshole who decided to kill innocent people. nothing will make sense to us about it because we don't sit around and dream up plans to kill people.

[The Black Knight]

I'm sorry man to keep my attention you are not going to be able to bring Alex Jones into the conversation for evidence. that guys nuts.

as for shooting. well considering you have shot... been around shooting.. you should have known from the get go it was a bump stock. I knew on the fourth video I watched as the rate of fire wasn't consistent.

as for your window theory? hahaha ummm.... no. those are not the same kind of windows that goes into your he and takes a lot of time to replace.

I am not sure what you don't like about this whole thing. I'm truly not. I can blow your conspiracy theories out of the water easy.

okay let's start on the getting the weapons into the hotel. okay... you have been around rifles and you should know that you could easily get 30 rifles broke down into a bag. easy. super easy. but that's assuming he did it in one shot. I mean.... not like he was there for several days... because.... you know.... how hard would it be to make a couple of trips?

oh I know it's so suspicious for a guy to walk through a hotel with a bag. lol. come on man.... this isn't some tiny hotel with ten people staying at it. a couple of heavy bags for a bell hop is just another day. there isn't video surveillance in the room and they would have only noticed something on the hallways if there would have been a reason to go and look. it's not like the movies where some guy is just sitting there looking at four screens waiting for someone to do something. so him being able to set some cameras up in the hall without being seen really isn't a stretch either. because again there's only a couple thousand people coming and going at all times. maybe a bit of an exaggeration but still.

last and definitely not least. this wasn't some tactical master. all you have to do is watch a couple of movies and you can learn what this guy was doing. elevated position with rifles with a high rate of fire into a crowd.


honestly just the body count tells me this isnt a two shooter situation. with only 58 dead there is no way there was a second shooter. zip... zero... nada.

if you would have thrown boots on the ground and started mag dumping into a crowd of 22k people we are no longer talking about 58 dead. we are now talking about body counts in the hundreds. think about it bro. I know you played call of duty. maybe a little airport scene?

but a shooter mag dumping into a crowd from 500+ yards out? yeah I can see the numbers. easy.

so I mean really. I'm not sure what you think stinks. it's all pretty on par for what I watched. every last bit of it. only thing missing is his motive but before you say you have something there understand that we never really hear about a motive with these things. why? because it's just some asshole who decided to kill innocent people. nothing will make sense to us about it because we don't sit around and dream up plans to kill people.

Alex Jones is way out there and many of the things he says are crazy(especially some of his aliens theories). Where he is relevant though is some of his commentary and interviews with people that were at the shooting and also weapons experts he's talked with. But enough about Alex Jones.

You're right I have been around guns, many different kinds of weapons. Which is why I knew immediately the first volley of fire that is heard came from an LMG(light machine gun). I've been next to full auto AR plateform(M4's) and they shoot way faster than the rate of fire I heard from the first initial shots fired.

Now with that said, some of the other fire that was heard coming from Mandalay Bay was from bump fire weapons. However, I still contest that some of it wasn't from AR platform weapons. I will say this, the bump fire stocks that I've used and been around are very erratic and somewhat hard to keep a consistent fire rate. I've been lucky to get through a full 30rd magazine with a bump stock in one squeeze. Most of the time, I've only been able to get off short bursts of fire. Then again, I'm not someone who owns a bump stock, nor do I believe that automatic fire really lends itself to accuracy. Constant automatic fire is about target suppression, than target acquisition and precision.

I've not brought any conspiracy theories in other than the larger weapons being used, sniper fire and multiple shooter scenario.

Other than that, I completely agree that anyone can move 30+ weapons through any heavily populated place fairly easy. It would just take many trips and from the details we've been given as to when he was at the Hotel then, yes if he was there several days prior, then it would be just a matter of time for him to move that much firepower. That said, anymore than a few rifles per bag would be about it. I'm lucky to get two rifles and three pistols with a few hundred rounds and mags in my tac bag and hobble when I walk with it. It's very heavy.

I agree with you, he wasn't some tactical master and really engaged people at a distance to far away to really deal massive damage. He did kill 58 people and injure 500+ so that's still a very high casualty count. As I've said, .223 and .308 at 500+ yards really does affect their muzzle energy and you're looking drastically lower performance from the rounds. Which is why I think so many were wounded vs. killed. If the majority of the rounds used were .223 it would go to show that at the range mentioned(500+ yards) a .223/5.56 has lost a majority of its stopping power.

If the majority of ammunition used was .223/5.56, then yes he used the wrong caliber for the job.

"Never shoot a large caliber person with a small caliber weapon" and especially at that range. Had more .308 been used then that might have changed.

But you have to look at just how much ammo he used. If you look at the fact that he racked up 600 casualties out of 22,000 people, then yes that's low. But if he only fired around three or four thousand rounds, then he had a somewhat high percentage of targets hit.

So I agree with much of what you're saying on the fact he moved such an arsenal unseen and undetected. He was a high roller that got comp'd a lot of perks. Also he was able to use the service elevator, so that meant he was able to move relatively unmolested by security or other people.

The only things I have issue with are: 1. The over-lapping fire that can be heard(indicating a possibility of two shooters) 2. The single shots that rang out initially, that could easily be heard as having a much different muzzle blast/report indicating that they were most likely a magnum round. 3. The first initial automatic fire that started was highly likely an LMG weapon.

My theory on what sounds to be the initial sniper fire is that those rounds were intended for the jet fuel tanks and nothing more.

So I agree with much of what you and others are saying. Where I differ is that everything is being blamed on bump stocks only.

People seem to think that if you entertain the notion of an LMG being used, maybe a second shooter or possibly sniper rifles being used then you're out in left field and off the reservation.

You do have to ask yourself this. Why does the Sheriff in all these press briefings keep on addressing the conspiracy theory ideas?? If they really don't believe in that and think those people are looney, then the sheriff and FBI wouldn't give it a second thought. But since so much material has surfaced on YouTube and Facebook of videos from eye witnesses. You can tell it's pissing the authorities off that people don't believe them. Because if they really are hiding information then that's suppression of facts to the public, and with YouTube and Facebook taking down all of these videos from people, that right there confirms the gatekeepers blocking information from getting to the people.