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    Was riding back from Sturgis yesterday, so didn't get to watch the race til last night. I will say that normally, I struggle to get quality HD from their feeds, but I switched over to the HTML5 instead of the flash player and the quality and speed has been top notch... even on my crappy chrome book.
    Yeah, I use the new one as well and it's worked really well and seems to not have any issues. But for some reason since Sachsenring the new HTML5 player has ran like ass for me. So I'm not sure what is causing the problem.
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    Well there goes Yamaha’s hope for a championship.... fucking idiots
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Well there goes Yamaha’s hope for a championship.... fucking idiots
    LOL!!

    Yeah, they look terrible at the Red Bull Ring. Rossi even said it at Brno, that they would suffer in Austria. Zarco is the best in Q2 and he's .6s off of Marquez.

    Yamaha in general have completely lost the plot of what's going on. You can see it in their eyes when the camera scans the garage. All of them have the"deer in headlights" look. You can tell they have absolutely no clue how to fix whatever is the problem. Commentators even said it, it's starting to get embarrassing for Yamaha at this point.

    Oh well, they'll figure it out in the end lol!!

    Tomorrow's podium, Dovi, Marquez and Lorenzo
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    Yeah I mean it was obvious they would struggle as they always do but damn, shit went south in the most colossal of ways and at the worst of times
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Yeah I mean it was obvious they would struggle as they always do but damn, shit went south in the most colossal of ways and at the worst of times
    I agree, a weekend to forget for Yamaha.
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    About season and half now for them to forget... they just came out publicly and apologized to their riders but still doesn’t fix shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    About season and half now for them to forget... they just came out publicly and apologized to their riders but still doesn’t fix shit
    Yeah, just got home and have seen all of this. I'm a little surprised by all of this. Either something is very, very wrong with the Yamaha or this is address something else. I think it's a little of both. I think the bike is having problems that are only magnified at this track. I also think something is wrong within Yamaha.

    Rossi and Vinales have both said they like the bike, but would like to see more attention paid to the electronics as they feel that is the area that needs the improvement. And up until now, Rossi has been riding it as hard as possible to achieve the best results. Even Vinales was starting to come around after Assen.

    I'm thinking that behind the scenes some heads are going to roll for all of this at Yamaha. But this is very odd for a manufacture to issue an open public apology to its riders. Something stinks about all of this.

    If they really want to fix all of this, they need to go and get Furusawa(retired) back and have him work the bike over. That guy was amazing with the M1 back in 2004-2005 and I think that's what Rossi hinted at in his response to the Yamaha Apology.
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    Yeah it’s going to take some serious changes to be able to bring this back to page one, it sucks too cause man they have two quality riders that can bring it to Ducati and Honda and man if Yamaha has resources too and what’s funny is that Ducati has been the brand on financial limbo for a while and they’re as successful as ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Yeah it’s going to take some serious changes to be able to bring this back to page one, it sucks too cause man they have two quality riders that can bring it to Ducati and Honda and man if Yamaha has resources too and what’s funny is that Ducati has been the brand on financial limbo for a while and they’re as successful as ever.
    I think that's what Rossi was pointing out in his response to the apology. He mentioned that back in 2004-2005 Yamaha went all out in terms of developing a bike that would win the championship. They did well in 2004 and then Rossi crushed everyone in 2005(similar to Marquez in 2014). Yamaha was hungry back then and they were willing to do what ever was needed to achieve results.

    I remember back in 2004 when Rossi tested several bikes and chose the M1 with the least powerful motor. He felt it was the best overall package though, super agile chassis, a motor that was powerful but still able to put that power to the ground. Rossi went out and won the first race(Welkom) on that 2004 bike and forever changed Yamaha.

    Now, Yamaha still have a very good handling bike but it's as though they forgot how to get the power to the back wheel in a smooth and tire saving manner. Again, I blame the compulsory software that everyone now run. It's not as user friendly and easy to use as the factory bespoke software was.

    It does speak volumes for just how good the factory teams had their own software. 2015 for instance, factory teams were allowed 5 engines and 20L of fuel but were able to run their own custom software. Now, everyone get 7 engines(yes KTM, Aprilia, etc. get 9) and 22L of fuel and everyone run the same software and are only able to tune it lightly, with zero customization.

    What we are seeing since 2016, is that yes it's helped to level the playing field. It's brought Ducati and Suzuki(this year) into contention for race wins and podiums. And it's brought KTM and Aprilia closer to top 10 results. Surely it has helped to offer more race winners and better racing. Which honestly is very good and something that was needed.

    That's the pros, so what are the cons??

    Well I think we've seen it also stifle the development of Yamaha considerably(and to some degree Suzuki, last year mainly). Yamaha opted to not do what Honda and Ducati have done(poach former Magnetti Marelli employees) to help work on the current software. They are now seeing come around and bite the them in the rear in a big way.

    If it was completely up to me to run things. This is how I would have handled the compulsory ECU nonsense. For all factories that were made to run the 2016 and beyond(Ducati and everyone else that hadnt' won from 2015 were already starting to use it) compulsory software, would have been to supply each manufacture with a tech/engineer/software designer from Magnetti Marellli.

    That's how I see things. If DORNA was going to straight dick everyone by making them run the compulsory ECU, then they should have made it mandatory that the manufacture of the ECU(MM in this case) should supply at least one person to each manufacture, that worked on that ECU software to teach them how to work with it. It's the only way to be fair and just. If you're going to make everyone run the same software. Then nip it in the butt quick and make the software supplier have a person go work with each manufacture. Would have prevented other teams from hiring former employees away to work for them.

    None of all this matters though. As Yamaha have dug their own hole and now they need to get themselves out of it. I really think they need to just shelve the 2018 season altogether. And plan on making a massive breakthrough on their 2019 machine. I mean, yeah keep trying to get results and data for the rest of the year, because somebody has to fill up those 4th through 12th places. Not to mention the great data gained from not making it through Q1 and getting stuck in 11th for the other guy in Q2 has got to be paying big dividends. So big, that Yamaha have to issue an apology about it.

    In short, it's going to be a painful race tomorrow for team Yamaha.
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    Just finished watching the race and it wasn't a bad one. The duel to the end was good. Had hope that Dovi would have been able to get into the fight as well. Congrats to Lorenzo, he was fast and made it all count.

    Rossi did a great salvage job. I think it's a testament to his commitment to get the bike working. At one point in the race, the commentators said the only three faster riders on the track than Rossi were the front three. So he had good pace and was chewing his way back through the pack. Vinales went backwards again and then came back. So he's got his own problems to figure out.
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    Figured Morbidelli would be one to go. Little surprised by Quartararo. But he's new and brings a breathe of fresh air to the paddock. He's a better and safer bet than some of the re-treads left(i.e. Smith, Abraham, Redding etc..)

    Speaking of Redding, did you see his comments about Aprilia and the bike after the race?? Suffice to say, he didn't just burn that bridge, he took off and nuked the site from orbit just to be sure. Honestly though, I can't blame the guy for laying into Aprilia the way he did. I'm not saying Redding is an amazing rider or had tons of promise but if a manufacture isn't willing to fix some problems. Then it will eventually come out. I think A. Espargaro is basically overriding the bike, whereas Redding just gave up on it.

    His comments: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/90...end-hell-start

    Now, I'm just waiting for the same thing to come from Vinales. Though, I think Maverick wants to win and has a more professional approach to the whole concept. He's not going to burn the bridge. Yet, you can tell he's getting really frustrated. Which I think has to do with how he started last year. He won three races in five races, dominated winter testing and was touted as being the one to take the fight to Marquez. Then the wheels came off when the heat went up and they(Yamaha) lost their way. So he knows he can win, and being win-less for so long just makes it even more excruciating.
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