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    22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    For all things 2022... get set.. GO!!!!!!

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Shit looks like we hit the ground running here too and put up the Christmas tree up already ... Yeah, the upcoming tests will be interesting to see what type of leaps some manufacturers are making for 2022 and man Yamaha need some serious help for sure cause if how this year went and riders stay healthy, Ducati is going to mop the floor with the whole paddock and then some with the show they put up this season as they're now strong at every single track unlike before but then again anything can happen. It'll be interesting to see how a healthy Jorge Martin will do given he had a spectacular rookie season and needs very little to be honed in and also how Fernandez/Gardner with the Tech 3 team will fall into place. Excited already and this season is barely over , come on winter, get outta here already

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Man that ending to the 2021 WSBK season was nothing short of amazing, holy shit those battles are so close and great. I definitely recommend anyone that hasn't followed them for a few to do so now, racing is so much closer than before and again the battles are insane! Looking forward to the 2022 season already, come on March!!! Also what a season for Yamaha across the board, multiple titles not only in WSBK/GP but also in endurance and motox series, 2021 has been title filled for the blue team. Hopefully they can deliver more for GP as reports are that FB isn't very happy with the 2022 bike at all and is demanding more (welcome to Rossi's world buddy ) so we'll see. Gerloff closed off the season being top independent rider and also GRT is top independent team, hope Yamaha will get smart and leave politics aside and let this dude ride to the potential he's shown already, they definitely watered down his bike and also killed his momentum with that bullshit with Toprak even though he's a reckless rider. Before I get lit up on Toprak I invite you to go take a look at some of his passes this season which were also sketch as fuck and yet he had the audacity to blame Gerloff for that one but yet come race next day he did last lap pass on Redding that bumped him as well and was just risky as fuck, so again spare me the bullshit. It's only because GRT is a satellite team and Toprak is their new golden boy and let's be honest, Europe doesn't like American riders and have some dude from MA come through and show off the factory riders on a satellite bike his first season out. Hell the fact that Yamaha considered him to sub in for Rossi tells you everything, it just doesn't make sense to kill someone's aspirations over political theater.
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Man that ending to the 2021 WSBK season was nothing short of amazing, holy shit those battles are so close and great. I definitely recommend anyone that hasn't followed them for a few to do so now, racing is so much closer than before and again the battles are insane! Looking forward to the 2022 season already, come on March!!! Also what a season for Yamaha across the board, multiple titles not only in WSBK/GP but also in endurance and motox series, 2021 has been title filled for the blue team. Hopefully they can deliver more for GP as reports are that FB isn't very happy with the 2022 bike at all and is demanding more (welcome to Rossi's world buddy ) so we'll see. Gerloff closed off the season being top independent rider and also GRT is top independent team, hope Yamaha will get smart and leave politics aside and let this dude ride to the potential he's shown already, they definitely watered down his bike and also killed his momentum with that bullshit with Toprak even though he's a reckless rider. Before I get lit up on Toprak I invite you to go take a look at some of his passes this season which were also sketch as fuck and yet he had the audacity to blame Gerloff for that one but yet come race next day he did last lap pass on Redding that bumped him as well and was just risky as fuck, so again spare me the bullshit. It's only because GRT is a satellite team and Toprak is their new golden boy and let's be honest, Europe doesn't like American riders and have some dude from MA come through and show off the factory riders on a satellite bike his first season out. Hell the fact that Yamaha considered him to sub in for Rossi tells you everything, it just doesn't make sense to kill someone's aspirations over political theater.
    WorldSBK turned out to be a good season this year. Was hard to see who would have taken the title. Figured Rea just because it would have been his 7th in a row. But Toprak looked the most hungry and wanted to take it away from Rea. Toprak is a little dangerous and does pull some tough moves, and I think we saw that play out with how him and Rea battled this season. Even Redding had some run ins with Toprak. Either way it was a good ending and a good season for sure. We shall see if Toprak has what it takes to make to MotoGP, he keeps saying that's where he wants to go. But he's getting old already and not sure he will want to tangle with the hot shots over there. He won't be able to just barge his way around them, after they just leave him for dead. Whole other world when you run with the elite.

    I'm with you, looking forward to 2022 already!!

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    IF the rumors are true that Fabio is going to ask Yamaha for $20m to remain in Yamaha, I see Toprak moving to GP a lot sooner than I thought. There is no way in hell Yamaha is going to pay him that, hell Ducati digged into every crevice to pay Lorenzo $17m and they have way more budget than Yamaha does. I don't foresee FQ staying with Yamaha past 2022 with that type of greed, I'm sure other teams are licking their chops at these rumors BUT doubt anyone besides Ducati would be able to afford him at that absurd rate, hell not even HRC pays Marc that much, he's only at the $10m per year range and he's multiple world champion. I mean although it's coming from Pernat himself so this rumor may have a lot more validity than most and also the newer generation sports figures going for the big money in all sports these days as well, not surprising at all. IF Fabio wins the title again then yeah ask away but hell I don't even think they ever paid Rossi that much.

    https://www.motorcyclesports.net/fea...-his-contract/
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    IF the rumors are true that Fabio is going to ask Yamaha for $20m to remain in Yamaha, I see Toprak moving to GP a lot sooner than I thought. There is no way in hell Yamaha is going to pay him that, hell Ducati digged into every crevice to pay Lorenzo $17m and they have way more budget than Yamaha does. I don't foresee FQ staying with Yamaha past 2022 with that type of greed, I'm sure other teams are licking their chops at these rumors BUT doubt anyone besides Ducati would be able to afford him at that absurd rate, hell not even HRC pays Marc that much, he's only at the $10m per year range and he's multiple world champion. I mean although it's coming from Pernat himself so this rumor may have a lot more validity than most and also the newer generation sports figures going for the big money in all sports these days as well, not surprising at all. IF Fabio wins the title again then yeah ask away but hell I don't even think they ever paid Rossi that much.

    https://www.motorcyclesports.net/fea...-his-contract/
    Well that is a bit of a shock. Can't believe he's snagged one title and is going to demand $20 Million. You're right Marquez doesn't make that and he's considerably way more of a soon to be MotoGP legend than Fabio. I think FQ is fast and he really did what he needed to do this year, but man you've got to win I think, several titles and probably consecutive titles in order to demand that kind of money.

    I think Rossi at one time was around that $12-$15 million euro deal. But you can see why a team would pay that for Rossi. Regardless of the wins or lack of championships, the money, branding and sponsorship he brings more than pays for itself.

    I remember reading a long time ago that Michael Shumacher was the highest paid athlete during his prime. Making some ungodly $150+ million a year, but the crazy thing was it wasn't his salary from Ferrari. It was all his sponsorships and deals he had. Dude raked it in, hand over fist on sponsorships. Getting to drive a Formula 1 car was like a bonus for him.

    Can't say as I see FQ staying with Yamaha then, they don't have the money and surely won't pay it if he can't produce more titles. I think honestly, Fabio would be amazing on the Suzuki or even the Ducati. He likes the agility of a bike and I think the Suzuki would pay dividends. But he's always saying he wants more power too, so the Ducati would be up his alley. If it is starting to be a more all around package I bet he would live with the lack of agility in trade for that monster motor they have. Never will go to Honda. Honda is for the people not named "Marquez" to end their careers with.

    I'm not sure Toprak would do well in MotoGP. By the time he arrives he will be 27 or maybe 28. He's fast but I don't know how he's going to deal with Marquez, Quatararo, Bagnaia, Mir, Rins and the rest of the new breed of maniacs. He won't be battling an older Johnny Rea that's still fast but nothing like what MotoGP has to offer.

    Let's see, can't wait for 2022 to start already!!
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Looks like everything points to Petrucci coming to MA in 2022 with Warhorse HSBK Racing Ducati (factory supported team). This MotoAmerica season is going to be insanely good as well.

    https://www.roadracingworld.com/news...o-motoamerica/

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    New title sponsor for VR46 as Aramco drops as sponsor:

    https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/...ng-team/403693


    New sporting regulation changes for all GP classes:

    https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2021/...nd-more/403643

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Toprak hints at possible 2023 MotoGP move

    https://www.motorcyclesports.net/fea...-razgatlioglu/

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Toprak hints at possible 2023 MotoGP move

    https://www.motorcyclesports.net/fea...-razgatlioglu/
    That would mean Yamaha are either expecting Fabio Quartararo to leave after next season, or they don't expect Morbidelli to perform well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Fabio go to Ducati. Although I'm reading reports that Ducati and also Honda are interested in Joan Mir. For some reason, either Marquez isn't healing fast enough or he may not be coming back at all. Or if he does he may never be the Marquez of before, or they may think Pol E. is on his way out as well.

    I think we are going to get into the "silly season" quick this year. Lots of contacts coming up and lots of guys getting the boot in my opinion. Suzuki may have two seats open if Mir jumps ship, and Rins won't be retained if he can't stop crashing. Factory Yamaha may turn up to be question marks for both seats come the end of this year. One would think Ducati are pretty secure, but I'm reading rumblings that if Miller can't get it done this year, he may be on his way out. Especially, since Stoner is talking about coming back to Ducati as a rider advisor/coach type role.

    Really could turn out to be a year where all the lesser factory teams and the satellites are the safest places to be as a rider.

    If Fabio goes on to win it all again this year or even come second. I would think he's got his choice of where to go. I think the strongest title contender this year will be Bagnaia, followed by FQ and maybe throwing Mir, Miller and Marquez(if healthy) into the mix for the championship. The minor aliens will always be there as well, with Morbidelli, Rins, KTM A squad and B squad Ducati guys all featuring for podiums and race wins depending on the circuits.

    Honestly, 2022 could be just a few guys fighting it out all year or a large group should things even out come season opener. I think as always, the title will get decided in the first half and whoever is in the lead at that point will play conservative. Unless it's a Ducati, then I would think a guy like Bagnaia will try and pile on the rest if he can. Might as well, if you have the bike to crap on the entire grid with, then go for it. But I think Fabio will be in it again, he's won one championship and knows how it's done. He will be looking to secure wins and podiums quick before mid season to shore up a lead. Then try and take some wins here and there in part 2.

    I think we will have 5 to 8 race winners this year. Bagnaia, FQ, Morbidelli, Miller, Marquez, with the KTM boys taking some wins at the circuits they are strong at. Everything else is just up in the air at this point.

    Would really like to see how Toprak's wild card races go. If he sucks bad, then he might want to rethink the whole "gotta be in MotoGP by year 23.." mindset. If he's fast and does well(say top 10), then yeah we just might see him jump over.
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Cam Petersen joins Attack Yamaha alongside Jake Gagne for the 2022 MotoAmerica season
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Cam Petersen joins Attack Yamaha alongside Jake Gagne for the 2022 MotoAmerica season
    good for Cam, he's a fast dude.
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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Yeah he showed promise just in that superstock Suzuki as they're allowed to race in the SBK class as well for exposure then they moved him up to the factory spec bike and he also showed great pace last year and even got a race win in very tricky conditions, I'm surprised M4 Ecstar did not keep him. He's got a great opportunity with Yamaha this season to be up there constantly and show his true potential with a team that supports both their riders equally. Just waiting on the confirmation of Petrucci to jump aboard that Ducati and man this MotoAmerica season is going to be f'ing insane!

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    and sort of unrelated BUT related, this local kid in CO that races in the MRA, Jayden Fernandez has officially entered for the Aprilia North American Talent cup for the 2022 season. Watched that kid race in CO in 2021 from every angle at every track while being head corner worker and seeing him keep up with the big dogs on 600/1000cc motorcycles just on his NSR50 just with metronomic pace, I seriously can't wait to see what this kid achieves in this cup and hopefully see him in the big leagues soon, he's a smooth and just fearless rider. Definitely show some love and support to him and his dad in the paddock if you guys happen to attend MRA races (assuming they'll be racing locally over there this year as I'm suppose entering these cup races has to be stupid expensive) but even if he's not in the MRA in 2022 as they may be putting all their resources and focus into being successful in the cup, please show some love to local talent! This cup is version on this side of the pond to the Asian talent cup and the Red Bull Rookies talent cup in Europe to give exposure to young and upcoming talent.

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Resurfacing work underway at COTA

    https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/...-begins/403989

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    Re: 22' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Getting word from the MRA that there is a high possibility that they may hold the 2nd round of the North American Talent Cup at HPR in Byers during the MRA's 1st round May 7-8, I will confirm if this comes to fruition but definitely encourage people to go out and support this if it does happen. We not only have a local rider in the cup but it will also support HPR as a local race track and help promote the sport. I sure as hell will be flying back if it happens. More to follow!!!

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