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    24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Not much action in here these days but figured I'd start the new one for the year and well why break tradition. I see tons of lurkers, don't be scurred to post people, it won't kill ya

    Race season just a short month away and honestly I can't wait. MotoGP just finished their shakedown test in Sepang and all other teams will be along testing this upcoming week for the official and final test of pre-season. Honda and Yamaha team/riders have been hard at it with their new concessions with more wildcards and testing dates to try and get answers to get back to battling grounds with the European bikes. Everyone is of course waiting to see what this switch from Marquez to Ducati will do and if he indeed still has it. He showed tremendous pace in the Valencia test following the last race of the season and again we'll see if he lives up to the hype just like also Acosta with KTM.

    WSBK sees a fair share of shakedown in the line up with the newcomer Bulega already making statements but we'll see if he can carry it into the race season as we know testing is a different deal but he sure shows potential. Toprak hit the ground running with the BMW and shows already to be competitive with the bike, I'm sure as the season goes on they will find more answers to perhaps bring them more podiums/wins and MAYBE a title but too early to tell yet. Good to see Andrea Iannone back to it, hopefully he will do well.

    MotoAmerica sees Cameron Beaubier and JD Beach line up with Tytlers BMW for the 2024 season after Tytlers had announced their withdrawal from the championship last year but guess things changed at the last minute and they're back to it, Tytlers has a hell of a line up with two very experienced riders who will definitely take it to Gagne and Yamaha and also we see Loris Baz back in the Ducati line up alongside Josh Herrin, it will be a very competitive season for sure. The one rider I do hope that finds a ride for the season is Mathew Scholtz as the owner of Westby Racing announced their permanent withdrawal and liquidate the team due to health related issues. Will probably be riding from here in St Pete to Daytona for the race in Saturday and ride back home same day.
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    Re: 24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Race week nearly here, WSBK starts next weekend at Phillip Island and can't wait honestly. More than anything I personally am interested in seeing if Toprak's move to BMW was a smart one and how Andrea Iannone will fare coming back after such a long layoff due to his PED violation ban, some people don't see him finishing out the season but guess we'll see if he can prove them wrong. Hoping for a great weekend of racing and hope also the weather not being shitty like last year.

    In MotoAmerica and somewhat Colorado related news, looks like Stefano Mesa will be fielding a Boulder Motorsports Ducati V2 for the Daytona 200 race, so Colorado will be representing here at Daytona, I will be riding about three and half hours from Clearwater to there on Saturday for the races and will definitely be rooting them on. Stefano has some great talent and I believe if they get the bike dialed in right and they do the pit stops just right, they have a shot at a winner.

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    What a great first round of the WSBK season it was, Andrea Iannone threw the kitchen sink at that shit and finished at the front and close to victory although in the superpole race he ran into technical difficulties but managed to limp her home for a couple of points. Great start for Alex Lowes on the KRT Kawi man, this dude looks like a refreshed rider along with the team ever since Rea's departure to Yamaha, you can tell the dynamics of the team changed entirely and they can work more freely and it's already paying dividends, that pass around T8 on Bautista for the race winning overtake was a fucking thing of beauty! Rea and Toprak finding out quickly that their team switch is going to prove more difficult than fruitful. For Yamaha's side of things, because of Euro5 emission standard, Yamaha is being forced to scrap the R1 so we may see their racing exit and this also explains why they don't put much effort or money into further development, that's probably why Yamaha forbid him to speak on anything during his interview in which he was super heated, in my opinion he should have retired, now Yamaha is going to put a nasty dent in his illustrious career. On Toprak's side of things, since the BMW hasn't been pushed in the ways he pushes a motorcycle, he is already finding out that they will have reliability issues given he already blew an engine and it's barely the first round, also tires are dropping at an exponential rate given his riding style so he will have a crazy season ahead of him, doubt BMW will figure it out this year or even next honestly. Both Gerloff and Redding off to their usual bullshit starts and riding, not finishing anywhere threatening in particular. For me Bonovo should have kept Loris Baz instead of Redding, he is beyond checked out and you can already tell. Gerloff ever since what happened at Assen in his days with Yamaha, just wasn't the same person again and can't seem to shake that bullshit off. He has his moments of brilliance like late last season but can't find consistency for shit, unless he delivers something insane, we may see him back state side after 2024. Bulega and Ducati are a match made in heaven, first pole position and first win in his first race, I mean can't get any better than that for him, he suffered more in the 2nd race but still had a superbly impressive performance. This WSBK season is going to be insane all the way to the end honestly and it's building to be even more entertaining than MotoGP dare I say... 3 weeks for the Qatar GP and only one week away for the Daytona 200, can't wait!
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    Re: 24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Dude!! My browser refreshed ages ago, and then I hadn't been to the site for awhile and I lost my log in. Finally was able to get back in.

    Had to come back, Oct of this year will be my 20th anniversary here!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    Dude!! My browser refreshed ages ago, and then I hadn't been to the site for awhile and I lost my log in. Finally was able to get back in.

    Had to come back, Oct of this year will be my 20th anniversary here!!
    Welcome back bro yeah the site was down for a bit as well so who knows if that also had something to do with it cause I also had to dig deep in the archives for my password Honestly I'm surprised this place remains alive this far into how deserted it is in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Welcome back bro yeah the site was down for a bit as well so who knows if that also had something to do with it cause I also had to dig deep in the archives for my password Honestly I'm surprised this place remains alive this far into how deserted it is in here.
    Strange indeed. Yes the place seems to be on life support. Oh well, be here until they pull the plug and it dies a slow death.
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    By the way, MotoGP is on TruTV for cable and other services. They are showing both Sprint and GP races. I thought I read, for the US round we will get qualifying as well. Not sure if I heard that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    By the way, MotoGP is on TruTV for cable and other services. They are showing both Sprint and GP races. I thought I read, for the US round we will get qualifying as well. Not sure if I heard that right.
    Are they showing live or just replays like FS1 was?
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    Race weekend galore! MotoGP at Portugal and WSBK at Catalunya. Looking like another very fun and promising race weekend on both ends honestly, tune in if you can!
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    Well again tons of clicks but no replies

    Anyhow, a quick rundown at the latest....

    Great weekend at COTA honestly, that got way more exciting than previous years in all 3 classes. Love seeing my boy David Alonso in Moto3 do his thing (he's Colombian where I'm from so definitely rooting for him) and would have been dope as hell to actually have been at COTA this year to witness that domination from him all weekend, nobody came even near all weekend long. Also bummer on that mistake from Joe Roberts coming into T15 where he overshot or else he would have won the race, he's off to a great start and even more so pumped up and motivated given that Trackhouse is talking about perhaps bringing him over for a MotoGP shot with an Aprilia next season possibly. As far as MotoGP and speaking of Aprilia, love to see a good redemption story with Maverick and finally finding his way on a motorcycle again after many years of searching for himself. He also marks history as the first rider to win with 3 different manufacturers, sure hope he can carry this form into the season and fight for the title, that dude was untouchable all weekend long! Can't leave Pedro Acosta out man, what a freaking alien this kid bro, had an absolute cracker of a race and is just taking it to the experienced riders without fear and making the Factory riders look like rookies. As much as I like Miller but that's a wrap for him in the championship I'm afraid.

    As far as MotoAmerica, they fucked it up and badly by putting the Baggers as the support race honestly, that didn't go too well. They should have done the superbike class without a doubt and more so having two American teams in the paddock now on both Moto2 and MotoGP, they need to get serious to expose the American talent out there, the baggers isn't it man. Sure hope they re-think that one come next season.


    About it, if you haven't watched the races yet I suggest you look for a replay or something or if you have the pass definitely watch them shits cause man they were fun all the way through, not that boring ass Marquez or Ducati runaway shit we got accustomed to seeing. That's all for now, lots of great racing this upcoming weekend, upcoming rounds are:

    MotoGP - 2 weeks for the Jerez round which will see Dani Pedrosa and Pol Espargaro as wild card entries.

    WSBK - Assen round this weekend, should be another cracker of a race!

    MotoAmerica - Kicks off their official schedule at Road Atlanta this weekend! Should be an amazing season with Baz back in the line up and a healthy Cameron Beaubier scrapping it out with Jake Gagne, should be an amazing season!


    Well that's all the useless rambling for now from this bench racer , have a great week everyone!
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    MM93 - MotoGP Champion this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    Are they showing live or just replays like FS1 was?
    They are showing them live for the most part. Sprint races have been live, but for some reason the COTA GP was off on time. Could have been a Direct TV thing on my end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Barn~ View Post
    MM93 - MotoGP Champion this season

    (just my personal prediction)
    He won't win another championship in MotoGP again, just like VR46, his time is just about up, he wasted too much time at HRC. He's still got talent BUT the bar has been raised a lot and more so now with Pedro Acosta coming in, that kid has an absurdly good future ahead of him, barely his 3rd race in and he is killing it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    He won't win another championship in MotoGP again, just like VR46, his time is just about up, he wasted too much time at HRC. He's still got talent BUT the bar has been raised a lot and more so now with Pedro Acosta coming in, that kid has an absurdly good future ahead of him, barely his 3rd race in and he is killing it!
    Marc just moved into 2nd in the championship. As much as I don't want to see it, he's a threat now. He's being consistent and just bidding his time. I don't think he has the speed of Martin or Pecco. But he's fast enough to keep others behind him. I think once Acosta sorts out his riding and can keep the tires from dying so quick, he's going to be a sure podium contender. I see him winning at least a Sprint and a GP this season. If he does, Miller needs to go and Binder isn't as safe either. At least Binder is at the sharp end most of the time.

    Enea is the most at risk. He's doing enough but needs to be up the chain a little more. I still think Martin is the guy to beat. He's showing the most consistency and is remaining calm when he doesn't have the best setup. If he can keep his current form, he's built a lead that will only grow.
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    Good Catalan GP today. Martin is doing what he needs in order to keep the championship growing and getting points where he can. Hate to say it, but Marquez is going to be a threat. He looked more dominant in the Sprint race, but the actual GP showed more of his current pace. Still he's faster than a majority of riders on the grid. Enea needs to step it up. Acosta is going to be the one to watch. In the coming seasons he's going to be a contender.

    Farwell to A. Espargaro, always liked him. He's a little hot headed but a good racer.
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    I foresee Enea having a Maverick type meltdown, that disregard for the double long lap yesterday was insane. I'm sure he's shoving it up Ducati's ass for treating him the way they're treating him but yeah his days in that garage and even manufacturer are counted. With the exiting of Aleix that may open the door for him at Aprilia as they want to bring an Italian rider to the Ape line up but who knows, Iannone is also being linked with that ride as well but all speculation at this point. Around Mugello is when shit starts opening up. Yeah, MM is definitely finding his groove at Gresini, if he could qualify better he would definitely challenge for wins without a doubt. Because of MM's age and all I doubt they'll go for him at the factory team, they may give him a factory supported ride for next season but Ducati would be insanely stupid to pass up on Martin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madvlad View Post
    I foresee Enea having a Maverick type meltdown, that disregard for the double long lap yesterday was insane. I'm sure he's shoving it up Ducati's ass for treating him the way they're treating him but yeah his days in that garage and even manufacturer are counted. With the exiting of Aleix that may open the door for him at Aprilia as they want to bring an Italian rider to the Ape line up but who knows, Iannone is also being linked with that ride as well but all speculation at this point. Around Mugello is when shit starts opening up. Yeah, MM is definitely finding his groove at Gresini, if he could qualify better he would definitely challenge for wins without a doubt. Because of MM's age and all I doubt they'll go for him at the factory team, they may give him a factory supported ride for next season but Ducati would be insanely stupid to pass up on Martin.
    Yep, I foresee it being Martin and Bagnaia in red, with Marquez getting a 2025 bike with either Pramac or Gresini. And then Enea may go to Aprilia. Although I've read where Aprilia are looking at Marquez. Also, there is speculation that Binder may get demoted to the JV squad and Acosta gets promoted to varsity. Which would leave Jack's seat up for grabs as well, I see them cutting him loose after this season.

    There's just so many riders out of contract at the end of this season. It will make things very interesting. I've also heard Mir wants to bounce and even Marini may be looking to terminate early(which I wouldn't do, I'd stay at least and get paid). A couple years on a shitty bike may do wonders for Marini.

    I see it like this:

    Ducati:
    Bagnaia 2025 bike
    Martin 2025 bike(if they promote Marquez instead of Martin, this will be one of Ducati's dumbest decisions, especially if Martin becomes World Champion.)

    Gresini:
    Marquez 2025 bike(if he stays with Gresini)
    TBC

    Pramac:
    Marquez 2025(if he moves)
    TBC - Morbidelli is not doing so well

    VR46:
    Bezzecchi <---needs to find his mojo
    Digi <----is actually doing well. He has a 2nd wind this year, don't see why they won't keep him.

    KTM:
    Acosta 2025 bike(bumps Binder)
    TBC

    KTM2:
    Binder
    Fernandez

    Aprilia:
    Maverick 2025 bike
    TBC - Marquez, Bastanini or Iannone(though I think he burned bridges in MotoGP)

    Aprilia2: <---- this team is kind of irrelevant
    Olivera
    R. Fernandez

    Honda HRC:
    Marini
    TBC - I can see Mir wanting to move but he's just not worth what he once was. I can see him jumping over to Gresini or Pramac to get a better bike, even for less cash.

    LCR:
    Who cares....
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    Re: 24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Well I got one right so far. Acosta confirmed to KTM for a multi year deal with KTM. For some reason I was thinking Binder was out of contract but he has one until 2026. So it's Miller he replaces, which I figured would happen but thought both KTM guys were on the way out.

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    https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2024/...ar-deal/500764

    Not surprised it happened honestly. Ducati disrespected Martin badly, dude earned the factory seat without a doubt and to bring MM's name on that mix is just beyond insulting, they pretty much spat on his face, I hope he rips it at Aprilia. MM's time is past I don't care what people say, younger riders deserve their shot and even if MM is somewhat competitive on the 23' Gresini right now, doesn't mean he should automatically get a shot at the factory ride, again that is fucking insulting to younger and hungrier talent. If Ducati choose MM over Enea in the next upcoming weeks, they can suck a fat one.
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    and well, what do you know... Ducati have now jumped on the MM gravy train, this sport is becoming more and more life F1 and it is disgusting
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    So guess MV got his panties in a bunch with the incoming news of Jorge Martin replacing Aleix and he jumped ship to partner up with Enea at Tech 3. What a bitch dude honestly, Aprilia gave him all the tools to be a better rider and they rescued his career and that's how he pays them? Just lost all respect for this dude too.

    Now that leaves the question of who is replacing him? They're saying that Bez is the best candidate right now, although I see it playing out more like they'll promote Oliveira and promote Roberts from Moto2 to take his seat OR they'll take Rins and can either Fernandez or Oliveira to make room for Roberts, that's not now a question of IF but when it will happen, Roberts is having a hell of a season and for marketing reasons it makes sense to have an American rider with an American team, it's working wonders in Moto2. As far as the other seats, definitely a toss up right now. I'm sure Mir will most likely call it a career, that dude is battered and just plain done with the HRC bs and honestly, he's an okay rider that won a fake championship in 2020, would have been a full calendar, another story would have played out, hate to say it, there are rumors that Jack Miller may take that seat at HRC although that'd be catastrophic for him even more than his situation now. I think having his kid watered this dude down which I mean it's logical, honestly he should step away now and as much as I like him but obviously family takes priority over racing if it affects you that much. Lots of seats are still open surprisingly and doesn't look good for many of the riders in the current grid, I foresee Taka, Miller, both fernandes riders and even Oliveira exiting this year with no ride in this class next season. Hope some fresh blood get their shot as some of these riders already had plenty of opportunities in the past and there is a lot of talent coming up from Moto2 that deserve a shot. We'll see how these musical chairs unfold in the upcoming weeks.
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    Re: 24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Honestly, I saw alot of this coming. For some reason Ducati do not want Martin on red. I applaud him for leaving to join Aprilia. Bez will be his teammate and I think the two of them will be formidable over time. I'm also glad to see Pramac leave Ducati as well. Yamaha need a second team to help with development.

    So when you look at it from all angles. Ducati actually lost big with signing Marquez. Enea left, Martin left and now Pramac have moved on. And this is all good, because Ducati was becoming to strong and they need a bit of reorganization to happen. We need to get more manufactures back up to the front and make it interesting again. I think KTM and Aprilia will be the main competition for Ducati moving forward. It's going to take Honda and Yamaha some time to catch back up but I think it will happen for them.
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    Unfortunately Honda and Yamaha won't be relevant again until the rule changes for 2027, just grid fillers till then.
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    Re: 24' MotoGP/WSBK/MotoAmerica discussion thread **SPOILER ALERT**

    Man, Marc's highside during Sachsenring practice--the front was already down and sliding in a lowside, then the back tire caught.

    I'm not a Marquez fan, my wife who is didn't appreciate it the other year when I said "he's not saving it on his elbow anymore."

    I was wondering what's with the teams singing the 90's eurodance song "freed from desire" in the pits after winning, like Jack Miller and Ducati did a few years ago, found out it's a huge song at soccer games in Europe now.

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