The rear-brake is dangerous, and thereby useless.

[Bassil Duwaik]

I agree with No-coast. There are many variables to consider and apply when riding. That is why I like to do as much work on my bike as I can. Even if I'm not the one who's going to be doing the work on it I'll read about it in the manual just to ensure I know the in's-&-outs on it all e.i. suspension, HH pads, damper and everything in between, so that when it comes time to make a split second critical decision I've already integrated the bike's performances to second nature decision(s) I'd make. Of course nothing comes without practice.

On yeah on a side note, has anyone tried riding one of those bike with antilock brakes. I rode a BMW with one and those things make the bike feel "weird". I tried locking up the brake several times on it but all to no avail.

[Mista Black]

both front and back break as close to impending lockup as possible will stop you fastest.

[Dysco]

both front and back break as close to impending lockup as possible will stop you fastest.

Wrong!












A heavy, stationary object will stop you the fastest!

[Bueller]

like a guardrail

[Mista Black]

Have I ever told you about that one time on Monarch Pass....??

[Mel]

soo.....I am going to add my experience of useless bike stuff to this thread.
I got in like a couple months of experience this summer (like maybe 2K miles), and during that time, I have felt the rear of my bike slide numerous times when decelerating. After thinking about the situations a little more, I realized that all were while slowing and downshifting.
I have therefore concluded that since downshifting can cause the rear to slide, it is dangerous and therefore useless as well.

[Bassil Duwaik]

soo.....I am going to add my experience of useless bike stuff to this thread.
I got in like a couple months of experience this summer (like maybe 2K miles), and during that time, I have felt the rear of my bike slide numerous times when decelerating. After thinking about the situations a little more, I realized that all were while slowing and downshifting.
I have therefore concluded that since downshifting can cause the rear to slide, it is dangerous and therefore useless as well.

Downshifting isn't what I suppose could be called a uniform stopping pattern. As the rpms drop so too does the braking power. Downshifting woudl work well with lower speeds. But when your going 100 and want to drop down fast I drop the bike in the gear I think I'll want coming out of the turn all the while holding the clutch in and using the brakes.

Now being able to match your rpms by downshifting and taking up the slack with your rear brake as the rpms drop is what I would consider a very experienced rider.

[Mista Black]

well since you should be accelerating through the curve, i'd have to say holding your clutch in as you say here is bad. i usually have the rear brake on most of the way through a curve (even a very high speed one). on the bemmer at least it seems to keep the back end of the bike calm. and i rarely feel the back in slide when down shifting at high speed, so i guess i'm a very experienced rider... thanks.

[dallas]

So, what I am getting out of this thread is my rear brake is useless and downshifting is useless.

By listening to the advice of the group, I should just accelerate as fast as I can and use heavy stationary objects to stop myself.

I don't know how I survived this long on two wheels with out you guys!!

Thanks!!!

[~Barn~]

I'm with Dallas.

[Bassil Duwaik]

lol

[Dysco]

Downshifting isn't what I suppose could be called a uniform stopping pattern. As the rpms drop so too does the braking power. Downshifting woudl work well with lower speeds. But when your going 100 and want to drop down fast I drop the bike in the gear I think I'll want coming out of the turn all the while holding the clutch in and using the brakes.

Now being able to match your rpms by downshifting and taking up the slack with your rear brake as the rpms drop is what I would consider a very experienced rider.

Whatever happened to matching RPMs with the throttle?

Going fast>brakes>clutch>downshift>release rear brake (or don't)>yank the throttle>release clutch>release front brake (or both)>going slower

or motard style:

Going fast>brakes>clutch>stomp down the gears>feather throttle>release/dump clutch>yank on the front brake>feather rear brake (opt)>lean>slide>think about direction>wonder why you haven't before>bring tires into line>release brake(s)>yank the throttle>go again

[Dysco]

So, what I am getting out of this thread is my rear brake is useless and downshifting is useless.

By listening to the advice of the group, I should just accelerate as fast as I can and use heavy stationary objects to stop myself.

I don't know how I survived this long on two wheels with out you guys!!

Thanks!!!

No problem. That method totally works in every motorcycle game I've ever played.

[R1chie]

So, what I am getting out of this thread is my rear brake is useless and downshifting is useless.

By listening to the advice of the group, I should just accelerate as fast as I can and use heavy stationary objects to stop myself.

I don't know how I survived this long on two wheels with out you guys!!

Thanks!!!

Personally, I don't like using the heavy stationary objects, I like the heavy portable ones. When I get going fast, to slow down I throw out a boat anchor, that way I don't have to use engine braking, front or the rear brake.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Personally, I don't like using the heavy stationary objects, I like the heavy portable ones. When I get going fast, to slow down I throw out a boat anchor, that way I don't have to use engine braking, front or the rear brake.

Your R1 IS a boat anchor......

[Canuck]

Whatever happened to matching RPMs with the throttle?

Going fast>brakes>clutch>downshift>release rear brake (or don't)>yank the throttle>release clutch>1release front brake (or both)>going slower

If you don't do this,(the rear brake aspect is debatable) one is asking for trouble,and it would be only a matter of time before you go wide and/or lowside.

Learn the simple art of Trail-braking

[RAGrote]

After thinking about the situations a little more, I realized that all were while slowing and downshifting.
I have therefore concluded that since downshifting can cause the rear to slide, it is dangerous and therefore useless as well.

Finally the sarcastic wit that this thread deserves.

To the original poster...
Your conclusions are erroneous.
Learn to use the rear brake and it'll save your hide.

[BHeth]

Whatever happened to matching RPMs with the throttle?

Seriously, isn't this common practice? At least for the canyon carvers out here? Like heel-toe downshifting in a car?

Holding the clutch through a corner? That's a joke, right? No one honestly does this, do they???

[Nick_Ninja]

Downshifting isn't what I suppose could be called a uniform stopping pattern. As the rpms drop so too does the braking power. Downshifting woudl work well with lower speeds. But when your going 100 and want to drop down fast I drop the bike in the gear I think I'll want coming out of the turn all the while holding the clutch in and using the brakes.

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God --- I can't believe that you said this.

[R1chie]

Your R1 IS a boat anchor......

LOL... I suppose I deserve that for all the ugly Suzuki comments I have been throwing out lately.

[*GSXR~SNAIL*]

So, what I am getting out of this thread is my rear brake is useless and downshifting is useless.

By listening to the advice of the group, I should just accelerate as fast as I can and use heavy stationary objects to stop myself.

I don't know how I survived this long on two wheels with out you guys!!

Thanks!!!

Well, duh!

[BHeth]

Cycle Monkeys signature is killing me! I can't see the white letters too well so it looks like:

I TAN by heritage.

A MAN by choice.

Sorry, please continue.

[pilot]

well since you should be accelerating through the curve, i'd have to say holding your clutch in as you say here is bad. i usually have the rear brake on most of the way through a curve (even a very high speed one). on the bemmer at least it seems to keep the back end of the bike calm. and i rarely feel the back in slide when down shifting at high speed, so i guess i'm a very experienced rider... thanks.

OK, now the clutch is bad and therefore useless. Soon we shall find that the whole motorcycle is useless.

[Suki]

Hot Wheels now has better traction and cup holders.