The rear-brake is dangerous, and thereby useless.

[Nick_Ninja]

Compression braking ------ it doesn't work too well with the clutch activated.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

LOL... I suppose I deserve that for all the ugly Suzuki comments I have been throwing out lately.

R1CH is useless, and therefore dangerous......

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I use my rear brake a LOT. It helps to take the driveline lash out during slow corners or tight u-turns to use the brake and torque the motor against it. I also use my home-made slipper clutch: just pull the clutch lever partway in while downshifting. Simple, effective. Even read an article to that effect.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Cycle Monkeys signature is killing me! I can't see the white letters too well so it looks like:

I TAN by heritage.

A MAN by choice.

Sorry, please continue.

What white letters?!?!

[Mel]

OK, now the clutch is bad and therefore useless. Soon we shall find that the whole motorcycle is useless.

OMG! I can't believe I didn't think of this before! However, I will disagreeon one point: the bikes are built to tolerate far more than the average rider can ever give. I therefore revise my previous conclusion, and sub this:
Since the rider can't handle a slide, or handle the bike to avoid the slide, I find that the rider is dangerous and thereby useless.

Finally the sarcastic wit that this thread deserves.

well at least you saw that...but hey since that went over some peoples heads, I got a lesson on how I am supposed to be taking my turns (apparently at high speed and with the cluch in ). I am so glad I have people who can tell me how to turn.

[Bassil Duwaik]

true

[No-coast-punk]

I find that the rider is dangerous and thereby useless.

Yep, I think we finally nailed the problem on the head.

In the IT world this is called a PEBKAC.

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

In the mechanics world this is simply known as a defective nut behind the wheel.

Insurance agents might call this a negative cash flow acquisition.

A riding instructor might call this A FREAKING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.

It always scares the bejezus out of me how many riders go for a very very long time with no real knowledge how a bike really works.

[Mel]

In the mechanics world this is simply known as a defective nut behind the wheel.

No, that is a bad driver module.

[Bassil Duwaik]

you sure it's not a relay?

[No-coast-punk]

No, that is a bad driver module.

Ha! I used to work for Mercedes Benz. Some of the cars can have upwards of 90 separate computers in them. They all have a fricking acronym too. EIS, DCM, ESA, SAM, OCP, etc. We would bad mouth idiot customers right in front of their faces by discussing the B-SAW (Between-seat and wheel) module.

"yeah Mike, it was simply a communication error between the B-SAW module and the DCM"

*translation* Idiot customer couldn't get the window to roll down because they had window lock on.

[Dysco]

This is my favorite CSC thread ever. Reminds me of a question my MSF instructor had for me when doing some tight-turning drills: "How are you using all of the controls at the same time?"

[Mista Black]

Well since downshifting is dangerous, I would propose that upshifting would be counter production. Since your sport bikes can't take off in 6th gear you should just leave it in first all the time and then you will never have to worry about downshifting. My beemer can take off in 6th so I can go fast all the time

[R1chie]

R1CH is useless, and therefore dangerous......

I am dangerous.... I kind like that

[Mista Black]

[~Barn~]

That's Right Ice!.. Man..
I am dangerous.

[dallas]

I am dangerous.... I kind like that

Dangerous like a Teddy Bear!!!

But then, I not one to talk!!

[Kendo]

Downshifting isn't what I suppose could be called a uniform stopping pattern. As the rpms drop so too does the braking power. Downshifting woudl work well with lower speeds. But when your going 100 and want to drop down fast I drop the bike in the gear I think I'll want coming out of the turn all the while holding the clutch in and using the brakes.

Now being able to match your rpms by downshifting and taking up the slack with your rear brake as the rpms drop is what I would consider a very experienced rider.

HUH? I thought when you pull in the clutch it cuts the power to the wheel.....why would you cut the power to the wheel while in a turn.....

or am I wrong here? I'm with Beotch... I sometimes downshift to slow down..but then again I also keep an eye on what gear I am in and where my RPM's are at... I never downshift if I know the gear down is way to low....


I sometimes use the back brake in a turn to calm the bike down a bit.....so far it has worked well.... I think I read this in the "Total Control" Book......

[Bassil Duwaik]

I cut the power to the rear wheel at the beginning of the turn and watch my line till I can gauge the turn. After which (midway) I'll match the rpms and engage the desired gear and power out of the turn.

[Mista Black]

that's the slower and more dangerous way to do it... doing it that way is therefore useless

[Nick_Ninja]

I cut the power to the rear wheel at the beginning of the turn and watch my line till I can gauge the turn. After which (midway) I'll match the rpms and engage the desired gear and power out of the turn.

And while you are cutting the power to the rear wheel and basically 'free-wheeling', you are out of control. You need to take an MRA rider school to correct your evil ways.

[Mista Black]

i've already told him it's useless so it's all good now

[Canuck]

And while you are cutting the power to the rear wheel and basically 'free-wheeling', you are out of control. You need to take an MRA rider school to correct your evil ways.

well said birthday boy.

[I`m Batman]

WOW... looks like there're too many cooks in the kitchen...

[Bassil Duwaik]

lol