Stoner calls out Rossi?

[AshliRider44]

Can you say "GO BRIDGESTONE!" ha ha ha haha ha hahahahahahhahAHa

Sorry David, but come on, monkey boy needs to buck up and deal with the fact that his tires ARENT what decides the race..... just messin' with ya

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Not a big fan of the tire rule myself. I seem to remember reading in my Motocourse that the rule actually helps Bridgestone. I think they've got a great tire this year. That, plus the fact the Ducati flat motors away from everyone.....well, even Rossi is obviously struggling with that. I think a lot of it is the tires. Look at how the 'Zuki and Kawi have all suddenly been doing really well.

[konichd]

Look at how the 'Zuki and Kawi have all suddenly been doing really well.

Write it down, Frank giving props to a Kawi! Atta' boy Frank!

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Write it down, Frank giving props to a Kawi! Atta' boy Frank!

Hey, gotta give credit where it's due. Bridgestone, 'Zuki, and Kawi have all stepped up their game this year. Ducati has REALLY stepped it up, and so has Stoner. He seems to have lost his appetite for tasting ass-fault.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Here's one area that's interesting. I believe the Honda has obviously been tailored to Pedrosa, and the Ducati to Stoner. Both are the new blood, in their eyes, and are the future. In car racing, say F1, the chassis is the same for both drivers, with perhaps only a little bias towards one style (say, Shuey's vs Massa's) or the other. The chassis is simply made extremely stiff with the same basic aerodynamics for both. The suspension, wing angle (downforce/balance) and tires are changed to suit the driver. For MotoGP, at lean, the chassis is actually designed to flex in a somewhat predictable manner, providing some "suspension" action at lean. This is to counter the hop/chatter/skating problem Wayne Rainey ran into when they made the Yamaha frame TOO stiff in the early '90's. This means that there is a much greater chance that one bike is suited to one rider or another. Then you must add to that effect of the rider-tailored weight distribution because the rider is a much greater percentage of combined weight than in F1, so the CG and roll center are more drastically affected when the rider or engine is placed a certain way on the bike. In F1, the chassis can be considered ultimately stiff, with the ONLY suspension action completely adjustable for each driver, and the CG and (minimal) roll center doesn't change due to driver weight. So you have removed those variables. In MotoGP, you CANNOT compensate for the chassis-flex "suspension" with stiffer suspension (just makes the frame flex more), and are stuck with more compromises for the other non-preferred rider. And we won't even talk about one-off parts for the preferred rider adding to that......

[The Black Knight]

Here's one area that's interesting. I believe the Honda has obviously been tailored to Pedrosa, and the Ducati to Stoner. Both are the new blood, in their eyes, and are the future. In car racing, say F1, the chassis is the same for both drivers, with perhaps only a little bias towards one style (say, Shuey's vs Massa's) or the other. The chassis is simply made extremely stiff with the same basic aerodynamics for both. The suspension, wing angle (downforce/balance) and tires are changed to suit the driver. For MotoGP, at lean, the chassis is actually designed to flex in a somewhat predictable manner, providing some "suspension" action at lean. This is to counter the hop/chatter/skating problem Wayne Rainey ran into when they made the Yamaha frame TOO stiff in the early '90's. This means that there is a much greater chance that one bike is suited to one rider or another. Then you must add to that effect of the rider-tailored weight distribution because the rider is a much greater percentage of combined weight than in F1, so the CG and roll center are more drastically affected when the rider or engine is placed a certain way on the bike. In F1, the chassis can be considered ultimately stiff, with the ONLY suspension action completely adjustable for each driver, and the CG and (minimal) roll center doesn't change due to driver weight. So you have removed those variables. In MotoGP, you CANNOT compensate for the chassis-flex "suspension" with stiffer suspension (just makes the frame flex more), and are stuck with more compromises for the other non-preferred rider. And we won't even talk about one-off parts for the preferred rider adding to that......

Thank you!! My point exactly. I'm glad someone finally saw it. Take for instance the 2004 and 2005 seasons of Honda Telefonica. Both had Melandri and Gibernau. And both of them were clearly faster then Hayden and Barros/Biaggi. The latter being on the official Honda bike and the other Telefonica's being the bikes that got parts after the fact. In this case it was obviously clear that Hayden was getting parts for his Repsol before his own teammate and way before the other Honda guys. Hayden was still getting his feet wet and that limited him to being able to utilize the bikes potential.

When you've got two riders for a team there will always be a dominant rider. Hence why the said dominant rider will always get the best parts first and have the best bike. In all honesty that's how it should be. Why waste a bike,time and parts on the slower and clearly subordinate rider? The manufactures are in this to win not lose so of course they will direct the best stuff to the best rider on the team.

I think it's a big slap in Nicky's face to have his own gig being handed over to Pedrosa and in fact him being the second rate rider of the team. When you can clearly see that the new 800cc was designed around Pedrosa.

RYBO:
you clearly didn't catch the point of the analogy did you? I don't get how you couldn't. Well actually I can but I would have expected more. It is a legit comparison because as I mentioned they were all F-22 Raptor pilots and only One was in a single F-22 and managed to take out the pack of skilled F-22 pilots in F15's. They knew how the F22 would react and what kind of strategies he could/would use. Yet obviously with a completely superior plane he shot them all down in the simulation.

Your whole Freddy Spencer comparison is wrong. Because I didn't say a MotoGP pro vs a club racer. Or I should say I didn't say a elite class F-22 Raptor pilot vs a Cessna pilot and both of them in their respective equipment that they fly. That's just jacked up and comparing apples to oranges. I don't even know why you would come up with that comparison of you vs Spencer. We're talking world class caliber former MotoGP Champion vs. a local club racer. That's not fair and not even in the same ballpark. I would also bet though that you would fair a bit better then you think on a current MotoGP bike vs. his old busted 84 GP bike. Obviously he's going to walk you if we are talking a track like Mugello. But I bet you'd have a good shot if we are talking PMI. It's all relative knowledge of each track. Now I don't know how good you are and I don't know if Freddy has visted PMI. So that's a conversation in variables we can throw out all day.

Also I never said Rossi won his first year. You are correct Stoner was on a satellite team and royally sucked. No one I don't care who you are, not even Rossi can woodshed that much in the off season then come back and run everyone like Stoner has. There is obviously something more. Do I think he was in the woodshed all winter? Of course. Fact of the matter is, it's the bike as well. If you would have read my previous post you'll have seen that I gave Ducati their props. The built an amazing bike. No doubt about it. Fact is Stoner isn't that good in my opinion and yes I still stick to my guns and say that he's getting major help from the Ducati. He's got the best bike, the best tire at the moment. Factor in everyone eles's crappy bikes and michelin's even more crappy tires and of course he starts to look great. Did I say it's all bike? No in motogp it's 80% to 20%. 80% rider and 20% bike, but in Stoner's case I did say it is reversed. For Stoner it's 80% bike and 20% Stoner.

green_zx7r:
You're right if it is all the bike then Capirossi would be actually a contender. You're right it's not all bike, but it is all Stoner's bike. Capirossi is riding a pile of garbage while Stoner is on the flagship. It's as plain as day. I agree with you as well on the championship. I love Rossi he's my favorite rider. No matter what. But it does get tired watching someone cash out on championship after championship. Competition is great. Which is why AMA sucks. It's the Mladin errrrrr Spies errrrrr Suzuki show and you know one of the two will always win it. It's tired, it's played out and no one cares. I only tune into the AMA races to watch other riders and enjoy the American racing. Other then that the competition is whack and bland. The AMA is not churning out riders like the rest of the world is and it shows. But I won't get too into that.

Lastly, my take on Stoner is that he is a good rider. Better rider then I'll ever be. My main beef was just because you've racked up a few W's doesn't mean you're an authority on everything and doesn't mean you can start jamming the veterans with the kind of smack coming from his mouth. Stoner can race for sure, but he's not amazing. He's a boring rider to watch. My point was, keep earning the wins, but do it in a humble way. Don't smack off on Rossi and don't get a big head and think you're the next big thing. Like I said Casey has manged 6 whole wins in his career and Valentino 7 Championships. That my friends is scoreboard......

[konichd]

Hell ya Black! Now to add insult to injury

[Pharmgirl]

Can you say "GO BRIDGESTONE!" ha ha ha haha ha hahahahahahhahAHa

Sorry David, but come on, monkey boy needs to buck up and deal with the fact that his tires ARENT what decides the race..... just messin' with ya

I enjoy the fact that someone else thinks Rossi looks like a monkey.

[AshliRider44]

I enjoy the fact that someone else thinks Rossi looks like a monkey.

HELL YEAH HE DOES! I just want him to blow his cheeks out just once

[salsashark]

HELL YEAH HE DOES! I just want him to blow his cheeks out just once

I'll never be able to watch an interview with him without thinking this now...