Patriots Will Shed Blood of Tyrants

[The Black Knight]

He's probably referring to the Sturmabteilung (usually translated as stormtrooper) of the Nazis.

Dirk

That's what I had figured that it was a reference to Nazi Germany but couldn't help myself as to slam the guy for a Star Wars reference. With as cheesy as his delivery was and the four guys in the back, it wouldn't have surprised me if it was about Star Wars.

[Shea]

While I agree with your point RajunCajun, that the government has slowly (and with the will of the populace) gone beyond the bounds of the Constitution, I don't believe the course of action advocated by our friends in balaclavas is prudent. You have a voice and you can choose to stand up and be heard or, as you put it, put your head in the sand.

Calling people names, threatening to slit their throats, railing against the "New World Order" does nothing for the cause. Clearly, concisely and with reason, stating your principles and defending them intelligently when challenged will do far more.

But in the end, there will be some, so dependent on the system they will be forever lost to the Matrix...

[The Black Knight]

Calling people names, threatening to slit their throats, railing against the "New World Order" does nothing for the cause. Clearly, concisely and with reason, stating your principles and defending them intelligently when challenged will do far more.

See that's what I think ruined the video. It was doing great up until the hardcore started ranting. Although the video may be showing many sides or viewpoints, I don't know the whole intent of the originator of the video. I was even shocked to see Olbermann in the video as well. He's notorious for being a master of BS, but I agreed with what he had to say about crossing off our rights. I found the whole video of Olbermann on youtube, and it was just a drawn out version of what's in this video and wasn't bad. Typical Olbermann once you get through his BS, he expounded on the chart which I thought was good.

[T-Dub]

Mkay folks, I don't usually subscribe to things like this, but it is getting wierd. Today I took my CPU to the computer shop to get it completely wiped, got a virus that randomly shuts down my CPU, (Damn porn), anyways, I tell the guy what I want done with the CPU and that all I usually do is look at guns and stuff on the interwebz. He lights up and starts telling me how he is stocking up on the "Basics". Flour, water, sugar, blah blah blah. Creepy. He says that he just bought 5K in .22 rounds. I am hoping I can get my CPU back clean before the guy on the white horse comes.

[RajunCajun]

See that's what I think ruined the video. It was doing great up until the hardcore started ranting. Although the video may be showing many sides or viewpoints, I don't know the whole intent of the originator of the video.

I couldn't agree more. You will definitely have both sides, the crazies in masks, stockpiling munitions in their basements with Kevlar vests and guys like you or me that are still "fairly" content to sit back and participate through dignified and legal means. The sad thing is, those idiots in masks will be the most prepared to defend themselves if the shite really does hit the fan,,,, hmmm, kinda scary! And thanks for the vid.....

[Wintermute]

This stuff makes me think of this:



C'mon guys, really? The beauty of our system is that it is designed to allow us to change the gov't at the ballot box. If you don't like the politicians being elected, work at getting the ones you do like in office. That's the American way. The "I don't like the way things are going, let's kill people until we get our way." is the Hezbollah way.

Sorry to pop anybody's bubble, but civilian guns, up to and including Barrett .50s, are useless against the military might that would be unleashed against any armed insurrection. Unless you seriously believe that every officer and soldier in our military would break their Oath of Enlistment and not defend the Constitution(the thing that says elections and the elected representatives from them change the country, not armed mobs). Not going to happen.

Anyway, don't read too much into the impending doom that a few Gun-counter Gomers "think" is going to happen. The majority of Americans are more interested in what's for dinner, who just got kicked off Idol, and getting back to daydreaming about fucking that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eye patch and the clubfoot? (h/t George Carlin) To think that they're going to take to the streets to fight a vicious, hopeless paramilitary guerrilla war against the strongest military in world history is just fantasy.

Wolverines!

[rforsythe]

Interesting email I received this morning. (I haven't validated these as fact, just passing along...)

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:


List of 7 items:


Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.


Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.


Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!


In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!


While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.


There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.


You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information..


Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.


Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!


The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.


With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.


During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!


If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.



The purpose of fighting is to win.. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.


I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward.

[Devaclis]

I have seen these before and I have never been able to locate the research behind the "rounded" numbers on these claims. I have also wondered about "rounded up and exterminated" Seems a bit one sided, extreme, and exaggerated.

Wait, did I write this?

[Devaclis]

How about the genocide in Rwanda? Any "gun control" stats on that? What about the fact they they were killing people with hammers and spears? Were they banned or outlawed at the time?

People who doe not question what they are told are easy to control.

[rforsythe]

How about the genocide in Rwanda? Any "gun control" stats on that? What about the fact they they were killing people with hammers and spears? Were they banned or outlawed at the time?

I think the people who were being hammered to death weren't allowed to possess them at the time. That's just vague memory though, it's been a while since I studied up on that event.

People who doe not question what they are told are easy to control.

I agree. So are people who question it but do nothing else.

I do question what I posted; perhaps later today or tomorrow I will have some time to dig into it and see how much of it adds up. One thing is for sure though, an unarmed populace IS an easy target.

[Devaclis]

Yeah, I thought there was some arms roundup there before the attacks. sad really

Good luck trying to to find the source of those numbers man. I looked for a good long time and could not find any rationalization to the "millions" listed. do you know the source of that document?

[puckstr]

"Death Camps... did we say Death Camps? We meant Happy Camps!"

[rforsythe]

Yeah, I thought there was some arms roundup there before the attacks. sad really

I know there was with guns and stuff. I am not 100% sure on basic tools but I think those were taken as well.

Good luck trying to to find the source of those numbers man. I looked for a good long time and could not find any rationalization to the "millions" listed. do you know the source of that document?

I do not know the source, it's just a forwarded email at this point. The only way to validate it would be to go research all of that stuff from the beginning.

[The Black Knight]

I couldn't agree more. You will definitely have both sides, the crazies in masks, stockpiling munitions in their basements with Kevlar vests and guys like you or me that are still "fairly" content to sit back and participate through dignified and legal means. The sad thing is, those idiots in masks will be the most prepared to defend themselves if the shite really does hit the fan,,,, hmmm, kinda scary! And thanks for the vid.....

I don't know if I would call them the most prepared for when the SHTF. I'd have to say I'd put a nice dent in anyone's armor with what I've got saved up

However, I haven't given way to reckless abandonment yet. I still think we haven't reached the point of not return yet. Though, I do think we are walking a very fine line.

Sorry to pop anybody's bubble, but civilian guns, up to and including Barrett .50s, are useless against the military might that would be unleashed against any armed insurrection. Unless you seriously believe that every officer and soldier in our military would break their Oath of Enlistment and not defend the Constitution(the thing that says elections and the elected representatives from them change the country, not armed mobs). Not going to happen.

Anyway, don't read too much into the impending doom that a few Gun-counter Gomers "think" is going to happen. The majority of Americans are more interested in what's for dinner, who just got kicked off Idol, and getting back to daydreaming about fucking that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eye patch and the clubfoot? (h/t George Carlin) To think that they're going to take to the streets to fight a vicious, hopeless paramilitary guerrilla war against the strongest military in world history is just fantasy.

Well maybe you've never seen what the .416 and .50BMG can do for that matter with armor piercing rounds?? Then again any high powered rifle(.300 win mag, 7mm, 300 ultra mag) with just regular FMJ's will rip through body armor. Then you get into Partition tip, and Ballistic tip bullets that don't offer armor piercing qualities(because they expand to fast) but have wicked expansion that when they hit meat, it will blow a limb(or head) right off.

You're also discounting the 80+ million gun owners in which a good 8-15 million would take a stand(I'm being rather conservative on the figure I think). Not to mention that YES, you would have military defect. Just like in the first Civil War you had generals and military picking sides, so would you have in another Civil War.

And tell me something, if we just go with easy figuring that 1/2 of the military defected, don't you think they would bring their stuff(tanks, helo's, artillery) with them?? Soldiers are loyal to their Families, Generals and Commanders, not some Politicians in Washington. They are sworn to protect the Constitution, that of which could come under fire during a 2nd Civil War.

You seem to think that just because there could be a civilian up-rising that the "People" would or could be in the wrong. I thought this country was "by the people and for the people" and not "by the politicians in charge and for the politicians in charge with to much power". I guess I'm wrong on that account. Maybe the Civilians would be right? Maybe the Government has grown to big for it's britches??

And if you don't believe me in that it's the "People's" duty to correct their government or remove it. Then I'd recommend you read up on anything by Thomas Jefferson, or anything from the rest of our Founding Fathers. Not only have soldiers taken a Oath, but so have the regular Citizens. To uphold our Bill of Rights to our Pledge of Allegiance we are bound by our duty as citizens to keep things in the balance.

And while I disagree with your last statement. I do believe it would be a bloody and costly war. But a fantasy?? hardly. Remember Rome fell from within, just as the United States is bound to do. If we don't get our act together and fix things now before it really gets out of hand....

[Bueller]

Gun control caused the Holocaust?

[Devaclis]

One thing the US did not have in all previous home soil wars, that we have right now, is a VERY fast and easy way to distribute information. There is NO way to positively say that Americans will react, stand, run, or suffer indifference like they did in the past. You are not talking about recruiting a young man, from a farm, that cannot read and has never seen a city before. People form and change opinions and sides at a much quicker rate and with urging from many different sources than they ever have before.

Ever heard of a group of young people on Philly or Boston in the 1800's that killed themselves because their parents did not pay attention to them and their music said it was ok to die?

Different era

[The Black Knight]

Gun control caused the Holocaust?

Hitler caused the Holocaust but Gun Control made it easier for him to implement his ways of extermination(at least that's how I see it). Had the Jews and Polish had access to weapons, at least they could have put of a fight. And I'm sure many of them would have preferred to die fighting, than in a concentration camp.

One thing the US did not have in all previous home soil wars, that we have right now, is a VERY fast and easy way to distribute information. There is NO way to positively say that Americans will react, stand, run, or suffer indifference like they did in the past. You are not talking about recruiting a young man, from a farm, that cannot read and has never seen a city before. People form and change opinions and sides at a much quicker rate and with urging from many different sources than they ever have before.

I agree, the ways we can access information are limitless basically. The technology that is at our disposal is staggering. I remember hearing a small tidbit fact on the radio awhile back. That by today's standards people get more News and Information in a weeks(or day, can't remember) worth of time, than most people 100 to 200 years ago would have even received in their Lifetimes!!!

That's pretty crazy when you think about it but also very true. An example would be myself. When I want to call one of my co-workers and ask a question, I just hit them up on the Nextel(when they can be just across town). I don't have to ride on a horse 15 miles just to get some info and that would burn up alot of the day.

We definitely can get info out and received alot quicker. Probably a 1000 times faster with just a regular phone call. And I agree for instance with the Distribution of Information. You know, something could happen to spark a war to start off. Well news of that would travel extremely fast and everyone in their brother would know about it within probably 1 hours time(and I'm being rather generous, I think something that big would get to people "whole nation" in probably 15 minutes).

It's hard to say how people would process the information. I think we'd have something similar as to how everyone would split sides and join up, much like they did in the Revolutionary and Civil War's. Because eveyone would want to know every shred of info, before making the choice that would define the rest of their lives. But like you say, it would be a much faster decision based on what would transpire.

[dirkterrell]

Gun control caused the Holocaust?

It certainly enabled it:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." -- Adolf Hitler

Dirk

[dirkterrell]

This is some interesting reading on arms and Jewish resistance to the Nazis:

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/...-holocaust.htm

This Article examines the record of violent Jewish resistance to the Holocaust. It suggests that Jewish resistance was extensive, and succeeded in saving many lives. The record also explains that a key impediment to even more effective resistance was the lack of firearms, as well as Jewish unfamiliarity with arms during the pre-war years.

Dirk