Telling people (new riders) to "ride their own ride" doesn't really help when they have no idea what "their own ride" means--they're not familiar enough with their own bike, their own skill, and/or the roads they're riding to know how fast they should/shouldn't be going--so they try to glom onto the ass of the faster riders and stick there regardless of whether they can/should be riding like that...
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
~Hunter S. Thompson
Originally Posted by Ninja2
i agree to an extent of your point not all people are unfamiliar with the are or non seasoned riders. we had one who was new to the group but was experienced and even said himself I am going to stay in the back.
I myself have not ridden with such a large group from this club untill yesterday I have done rides in castle rock, colorado springs deer creek, turkey creek, and bear creek with just two or three of us. Granted this does not make me an expert in any way shape or form and i have much to learn but ive been riding for 6 years mostly cruisers but occasionally sport bikes. i know my limits and yes I did post " oh my god fast this fast and fast that and new this new that" but that doesn't mean i don't know what I doing. I believe it was zach that pointed out to me that I need to watch my toes in my turnes because they were getting very close. a very helpful observation that i will keep in mind and use.
it's sad to hear two people went down originally swift and i thought the gixser was going to bail from Nederland with us maybe he should have glad nobody was seriously injured though.
I didn't have knee pucks so if I would have it would have sucked.
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not really...but not far off...I saw him in my mirror (yes, I had time to look in my mirror mid turn, and smell some roses, and scratch my ass) I'mNow that I have to see. Should GoPro it next time
maybe not "ride your own ride", but how about "check your ego at the gas station"...the fastest rides I have been on are with the "old" people on their "old man" bikes, where people ride a smooth an comfortable pace, and you rarely see brake lights, not speed up to 100 on the straights to do 40 in a turn. people are either going to take it slow at first and learn the easy way, or learn the hard way...Darwin always gets his
I do like the idea of breaking rides up into groups, but in the case of the 20-something canyon hero, is he/she really going to want to follow some bike with saddle bags in the slow or medium group, when their 1000cc sportbike can do way more than ~60mph on the straights??? or are thay gonna jump in line with the leather clad power ranger on their sportbike at the front? (no offense Vellos...)
Outlawd Said:
maybe not "ride your own ride", but how about "check your ego at the gas station"...the fastest rides I have been on are with the "old" people on their "old man" bikes(or land yachts), where people ride a smooth an comfortable pace, and you rarely see brake lights(engine braking anyone), not speed up to 100 on the straights to do 40 in a turn. people are either going to take it slow at first and learn the easy way, or learn the hard way...Darwin always gets his
I do like the idea of breaking rides up into groups, but in the case of the 20-something canyon hero, is he/she really going to want to follow some bike with saddle bags in the slow or medium group, when their 1000cc sportbike can do way more than ~60mph on the straights???(Don't forget the wheelies, man) or are thay gonna jump in line with the leather clad power ranger(Canezach) on their sportbike at the front? (no offense Vellos...
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Ahhh shit, sorry to hear it Dave. Hope you and the bike are alright. I've seen 3 people wad it a couple bike lengths in front of me, and it IS really distracting and hypnotic. One guy's bike was flipping end over end as high as a telephone pole at over 80mph, and my buddy Doug in front of me fixated on it. I could see his helmet turn to look as he was starting to miss the apex. Thankfully he realized it and finished the corner. I glanced at it and quickly looked away. This was the second totalled bike in 20mon on my very first CSC ride 8 years ago.
@ Carrie: I'm kind of weird about foot position then, as I slide it back a little, but still keep the peg in the arch of my boot, I just angle my foot a little to bring it more inboard. Works for me. But then, sometimes I like to use a little rear brake in the corners to adjust the bike's position.
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-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
+1 as was pointed out to me and yesterday I did drag toe a little though so I need to watch it.
Oh man bad luck hope every one is ok
No tickets YET this year *Knock on wood*
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luck has got nothing to do with it man...
and BC...for gods sake man...insert text here
Bite me, it's hit or miss for me today.... dunno why.
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'08 Kawasaki Concours14 - Sold
'05 Suzuki SV1000S - Sold
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I won't claim to be fast sportbike rider. I can only claim to be an OLD sportbike rider. But, in the end, isn't that a better achievement anyways?
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"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
Well, I tuck 'em in pretty good now, the only time I dragged toe was at IMI. I can't imagine actually dragging any parts on the bike......
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"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
I drug foot on fri in a fast left hand sweeper. I kinda forgot that upshifts aren't easy going left at a decent lean angle..... I'm wearing away my peg feelers nicely though. Eventually I'll stop hitting those damn things... kinda surprising when they hit.
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'12 Kawasaki Concours14 - Sold
'08 Kawasaki Concours14 - Sold
'05 Suzuki SV1000S - Sold
'07 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 - Sold
yea haven't made contact on the bike nor do i want to after my toe touched yesterday I'm gonna be sure to tuck the foot in from now on.
Oi true sorry to read what happen to you,
Hopefully your bike only needs minor touch ups
No tickets YET this year *Knock on wood*
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You're still going on group rides??My solo 8am jaunt to Woodland Park and back was nice.
I don't mean to be defending new riders, but sometimes it's ego, and sometimes it's fear of being left behind, etc. Mostly it's just stupidity and inexperience.maybe not "ride your own ride", but how about "check your ego at the gas station"...the fastest rides I have been on are with the "old" people on their "old man" bikes, where people ride a smooth an comfortable pace, and you rarely see brake lights, not speed up to 100 on the straights to do 40 in a turn. people are either going to take it slow at first and learn the easy way, or learn the hard way...Darwin always gets his
Back when I first started riding, I used to ride with an ex-1970s racer, guy was the fastest no-brake rider I'd ever seen. He was sooo smooth and so deceptively fast it was unreal. I loved just following and watching him flow through the turns.
I kinda miss those guys, they knew their shit, they knew the roads, they knew their bikes and their limits and there was never any issue riding with any of them...it was just fun...as riding is supposed to be.
As to target-fixation, I did that once, probably 10 years ago now. Guy on an RC51 (brand new) went off and I, for whatever reason, was so fascinated watching his debris and dust cloud that I ended up going off-line and then off-road and low-siding on the soft shoulder. Not much damage to me or my bike, but I was definitely surprised and learned my lesson. Sucks when it catches you out though.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
~Hunter S. Thompson
and this is why I'm a "ghost" and ride mostly solo...the only person that can F up my ride is me...and while it can happen, and I can screw up, at least I'm not going to be taken out by someone else in my own group...You're still going on group rides??
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
~Hunter S. Thompson
E gads! Maybe I'm better off riding solo all the time.
Yeah, it can be fun, can be boring, and it's good up until the day the truck runs you off the road and no one even knows you're gone until 3 weeks later.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
~Hunter S. Thompson
Man oh man just checked the bike out in the garage sad day indeed. No damage to me though so all is well. For the record I do know what im doing on my bike...probly the reason no one was in my rear view and me and vellos where just crusing along. You dont keep up with people by blind luck if you have never done it before. Body positoon, throttle manipultation, engine stopping I know it all..I am no pro not by a long shot but I wouldnt be up there if I didnt know how to do those things. I would have been upright like a giant penis wondering why my bike doesnt turn. Everyone makes mistakes. I took a turn to wide hit the dirt and went splat. It is what it is. Pro's on bikes, cars w/e wreck everyday. Thats how I ride, to the max and if I go down then so be it but its the cost I take to be good at something. I jump out of planes and get shot at for a living so dropping a bike isnt really a big deal as long as no one else gets hurt. As far as gear goes its a personal choice, I can wear a thousand dollar set of leathers and fly of a cliff and be the best rider in the world. Or ride naked and make it unmarked. I simply made the underdressed comment bc it looked like everyone came to a race not a ride. You guys think its young errogance, well im 28 not 21 and have been in way worse situations than that of a canyon ride. As soon as I get my new bike i will be right back out there and right back in the front doing what I do...and If you dont want to ride with me then stay in the back and play it safe. Its not who I am. If I make it all day and go home Im a "good" rider for keeping up with the ppl in front...but bc a simple mistake and a lay down im a "noob" and 20 something hero. Anyway, everyone has there own opinion, not looking to bash anyone here. Id rather die at 190 with my balls out than choke on a grape watching oprah on the couch.
Live fast die free...Ill be back
Side note it was one of the best runs ive been on. Beats the shit out of flat georgia roads dodging aligators and mequitos. Thanks for putting it together. Glad other dude is ok.
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Yup, that's the reason I try to plan my route and stick to it. That way I can leave a map link for a few people. Lunch is the worst part of a solo ride.Yeah, it can be fun, can be boring, and it's good up until the day the truck runs you off the road and no one even knows you're gone until 3 weeks later.
Yeah, lunch in bug-covered leathers sitting by yourself isn't a real highlight.
Plus, if there's ever anything super-cool or super-Whatever, there's no one but you to witness it...but...meh, so it goes...
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
~Hunter S. Thompson
The wife and I went out and had a great ride, we went so slow we held up lines of cars at times (sweet revenge). But just cruising through the canyons I could easily take at 2-3 times the speed but with our rider to rider comm. we just had a relaxing ride and I was able to talk her through a lot of technique and lines and everything else she had a question about, real time.You're still going on group rides??
I am making a good riding partner
Group rides can be fun, but way too much shit goes on, I like the 2-4 bike groups at most.
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