Not to keep talking about pronunciation, but yes, LorenTHO drives me crazy. I had a roommate that talked about "IbiTHA" Spain. This was the whitest guy ever from Minnesota. Dude, it's IBIZZZA, just because they lisp the Z in Spain doesn't make you sound like you are a native Spanish speaker because you do it too. It reminds of me of the "papier mâché" Seinfeld episode.

Sorry to add no meaning to the actual discussion right now. Yes, bring on Germany then LA-GUUUUUUNNNNNAAAAA!