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    How health care case will unfold before the court

    Monday's 90-minute argument is about whether court action is premature because no one yet has paid a fine for not having health insurance.

    Tuesday's two-hour argument will cover the central issue of whether Congress overstepped its authority by requiring Americans to purchase health insurance starting in 2014 or pay a penalty.

    Wednesday's arguments will be split into two parts: Justices will hear 90 minutes of debate in the morning over whether the rest of the law can take effect even if the health insurance mandate is unconstitutional and another hour Wednesday afternoon over whether the law goes too far in coercing states to expand the federal-state Medicaid program for low-income people by threatening to cut off federal aid to states that don't comply
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    Now I know several of you will scream to have the entire act burned to the ground as a conservative outcry over a liberal socialistic act of suppression from a democratic president. Mostly because you have no real clue for what is really in the act, the good and the bad.

    I personally disagree with the mandate forcing people to buy insurance or get fined. I think a better idea would be one large pool of people that insurance companies can buy into that includes every working member of the government from president to dog catcher. These policies would be available to every American citizen.

    However I do mostly agree with every other part of the act and would fix the act not overturn it and go back to what we had before.

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    How health care case will unfold before the court

    Monday's 90-minute argument is about whether court action is premature because no one yet has paid a fine for not having health insurance.

    Tuesday's two-hour argument will cover the central issue of whether Congress overstepped its authority by requiring Americans to purchase health insurance starting in 2014 or pay a penalty.

    Wednesday's arguments will be split into two parts: Justices will hear 90 minutes of debate in the morning over whether the rest of the law can take effect even if the health insurance mandate is unconstitutional and another hour Wednesday afternoon over whether the law goes too far in coercing states to expand the federal-state Medicaid program for low-income people by threatening to cut off federal aid to states that don't comply.

    Now I know several of you will scream to have the entire act burned to the ground as a conservative outcry over a liberal socialistic act of suppression from a democratic president. Mostly because you have no real clue for what is really in the act, the good and the bad.

    I personally disagree with the mandate forcing people to buy insurance or get fined. I think a better idea would be one large pool of people that insurance companies can buy into that includes every working member of the government from president to dog catcher. These policies would be available to every American citizen.

    However I do mostly agree with every other part of the act and would fix the act not overturn it and go back to what we had before.
    This Obamination (sorry, can't help it ) needs to be torn down in toto immediately. I would actually be in favor of socialized medicine (workers pay into it like Soc Sec but run it better), just not this version of it. I've seen several lawyers call this nightmare "incomprehensible", and the idiots then in congress/house approved it without reading it. THAT'S my major issue with it. They don't give a tin shit because THEY are th eelite who get their own, separate, special medical coverage.
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post

    Now I know several of you will scream to have the entire act burned to the ground as a conservative outcry over a liberal socialistic act of suppression from a democratic president. Mostly because you have no real clue for what is really in the act, the good and the bad.
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    Fuck Obama and fuck this reform... I am one of millions, hard working American citizens that pays taxes out the ass to get fucked more and I approve this message.

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    Ta-dah!
    Yep, because it's a poorly-thought-out piece of shit sponsored by an idiot......who just happens to be a (D)onkey.......
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    I could go really in depth on this subject since I work in the industry, but since I sorta want to keep my job for a while and will refrain from posting my personal viewpoints here, I'll paste a recent CNN report that did have some good points that the law may affect all of our ways of life in some form:


    Here are 10 examples:

    1. How many goodies your doctors get

    Is your doctor prescribing you certain drugs because those are the best for your condition or because of a pharmaceutical company's influence? Here's one way you can find out.

    The Physician Payment Sunshine Act under health care reform requires drug, device or medical supply companies to report annually certain payments or things of value that they've given physicians and teaching hospitals. This could be speaking fees, consulting fees, meals and travel. So, you can find out which and how much companies pay doctors or health care workers. The companies are obligated to report annually about physician ownership and their financial investments.

    All this would be available on a public website.

    Effective date: Final rule is expected December 2014.

    2. More breastfeeding rooms and breaks

    Many working mothers now get a more appropriate place for expressing breast milk than they had before. Employers must provide "a place, other than a bathroom, that is shielded from view and free from intrusion from co-workers and the public, which may be used by an employee to express breast milk."

    Nursing mothers also can take "reasonable" breaks during the workday to express milk, as frequently as the mother needs. The exception is companies with fewer than 50 employees, which can claim it's an undue hardship.

    Effective date: March 23, 2010.

    3. Caloric reality at every major chain restaurants

    Under the law, you would walk into a place like McDonald's and see calories listed under every menu item -- Big Mac (540 calories), McNuggets (10 pieces- 470 calories) and medium fries (380 calories).

    The law requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie content information for standard menu items on menus and drive-through menus. Other fun facts like fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrates, sugars, fiber and total protein would have to be made available in writing upon request.

    So far, there is mixed evidence about whether calorie postings sway nutritional choices.

    The rule also extends to vending machine operators who own or operate 20 or more vending machines. The FDA issued a report in April 2011, and left out movie theaters among those establishments required to post calories. So, if implemented, you can tell how many calories your sandwich has at Subway, but you won't be able to tell how many calories your buckets of popcorn have at the movie theater.

    Effective date: The FDA has not yet issued a final rule, so there is no time line on its implementation.

    4. Abstinence-only education

    The health care legislation renews $50 million per year for five years for abstinence-only education. According to the Department of Health and Human Services, "programs that receive this funding must teach that abstinence from sexual activity is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems." And they also have to teach that sex before marriage is "likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects." For every four federal dollars a state receives, it must match $3 (75 percent of the federal money, in other words).

    5. Flexible spending accounts stiffen

    Flexible spending accounts previously could be used to buy over-the-counter drugs and vitamins. As of 2011, the accounts became restricted to prescription drugs, although in some cases a doctor can "prescribe" over-the-counter medicines to make them count. Health care related purchases that still qualify include condoms, contact lens solution, home diagnostic tests and bandages.

    But note that in 2013, your contribution amount to these accounts will have an annual limit of $2,500; previously there was no limit.

    Effective date: Jan. 1, 2011, for the medication provision; Jan. 1, 2013, for the contribution limit.

    6. Tanning will cost you

    You've been paying a 10 percent tax every time you've visited the tanning booth, thanks to health care reform.

    The UV-emitting tanning devices have been classified as "carcinogenic to humans" by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, which is part of the World Health Organization. Indoor tanning has also been banned for minors in California because of the potential for skin cancer.

    Effective date: July 1, 2010.

    7. Support for wellness programs at work

    Face it, staying healthy in a stressful workplace with the tempting soda machine in the break room can be tough. But the health care reform law gives companies incentives to start wellness initiatives.

    Small business got incentives in 2011, when companies with fewer than 100 employees working at least 25 hours per week became eligible for wellness program grants. The law sets up a $200 million grant program from 2011 to 2015.

    As of 2014, participants in wellness programs generally can get discounts or rewards from their employers of up to 30 percent of the cost of their health care premiums (currently, the maximum discount is 20 percent). That reward can go up to 50 percent if the secretaries of Labor, Health and Human Services and the Treasury deem it appropriate.

    Effective date: Jan. 1, 2011, for the small business and Jan. 1, 2014, for the potential discount raise.

    8. Free preventive care

    Mammograms, physical exams, colonoscopies, vaccinations -- these are among the preventive care services that will be fully covered by insurance companies.

    This requirement kicked in for new health insurance plans that began on or after September 2010. Examples of preventive care include screenings for cholesterol, diabetes, HIV and sexually transmitted diseases, which are covered without a co-pay.

    For women, this would also cover genetic counseling for the BRCA gene for women at higher risk of breast cancer, mammograms every one or two years for women over age 40 and HPV DNA testing every three years for women. For kids, the services include autism, vision, developmental and lead screenings. The complete list is available here.

    Effective date: All health insurance plans must comply by 2018.

    9. Home visits to expecting families

    The law also includes funding support for early childhood home visitation for people expecting children and families who have young children. Professionals come to the home to provide information and support. The aim is to reduce child abuse and neglect, promote the health of mothers and their children and prioritize high-risk populations. Research supports such positive outcomes. The health care law provides $1.5 billion for related state-based initiatives over five years.

    Effective date: Began in 2010 with $100 million for fiscal year.

    10. Health plans you can read

    Have you ever been confused by the language in health insurance plans?

    The health reform law requires health insurers and health plans to provide concise and understandable information about the plan and its benefits. According to the Health and Human Services press release, "The new rules will also make it easier for people and employers to directly compare one plan to another."

    Patients have a right to two key documents to understand and compare their health insurance choices: a comprehensible summary of benefits (which is standardized similar to nutrition facts on packaged foods) and a glossary of terms of health insurance coverage.

    Effective date: Sept. 23, 2012.
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    When the conservatives start foaming at the mouth as they post on here, they need to be careful that it doesn't drip on their computer & shock 'em.
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    Socialized medicine. lulz.

    The fat pieces of shit Americans and the bored old people who pollute our hospitals and drive up insurance costs don't need anymore hand outs. I have an insurance idea. The more unhealthy you are, the more you pay. Flat tax style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprtbkbabe View Post
    I could go really in depth on this subject since I work in the industry, but since I sorta want to keep my job for a while and will refrain from posting my personal viewpoints here, I'll paste a recent CNN report that did have some good points that the law may affect all of our ways of life in some form:


    Here are 10 examples:

    1. How many goodies your doctors get

    Is your doctor prescribing you certain drugs because those are the best for your condition or because of a pharmaceutical company's influence? Here's one way you can find out.

    The Physician Payment Sunshine Act under health care reform requires drug, device or medical supply companies to report annually certain payments or things of value that they've given physicians and teaching hospitals. This could be speaking fees, consulting fees, meals and travel. So, you can find out which and how much companies pay doctors or health care workers. The companies are obligated to report annually about physician ownership and their financial investments.

    All this would be available on a public website.

    Effective date: Final rule is expected December 2014.

    2. More breastfeeding rooms and breaks

    Many working mothers now get a more appropriate place for expressing breast milk than they had before. Employers must provide "a place, other than a bathroom, that is shielded from view and free from intrusion from co-workers and the public, which may be used by an employee to express breast milk."

    Nursing mothers also can take "reasonable" breaks during the workday to express milk, as frequently as the mother needs. The exception is companies with fewer than 50 employees, which can claim it's an undue hardship.

    Effective date: March 23, 2010.

    3. Caloric reality at every major chain restaurants

    Under the law, you would walk into a place like McDonald's and see calories listed under every menu item -- Big Mac (540 calories), McNuggets (10 pieces- 470 calories) and medium fries (380 calories).

    The law requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie content information for standard menu items on menus and drive-through menus. Other fun facts like fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrates, sugars, fiber and total protein would have to be made available in writing upon request.

    So far, there is mixed evidence about whether calorie postings sway nutritional choices.

    The rule also extends to vending machine operators who own or operate 20 or more vending machines. The FDA issued a report in April 2011, and left out movie theaters among those establishments required to post calories. So, if implemented, you can tell how many calories your sandwich has at Subway, but you won't be able to tell how many calories your buckets of popcorn have at the movie theater.

    Effective date: The FDA has not yet issued a final rule, so there is no time line on its implementation.

    4. Abstinence-only education

    The health care legislation renews $50 million per year for five years for abstinence-only education. According to the Department of Health and Human Services, "programs that receive this funding must teach that abstinence from sexual activity is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems." And they also have to teach that sex before marriage is "likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects." For every four federal dollars a state receives, it must match $3 (75 percent of the federal money, in other words).

    5. Flexible spending accounts stiffen

    Flexible spending accounts previously could be used to buy over-the-counter drugs and vitamins. As of 2011, the accounts became restricted to prescription drugs, although in some cases a doctor can "prescribe" over-the-counter medicines to make them count. Health care related purchases that still qualify include condoms, contact lens solution, home diagnostic tests and bandages.

    But note that in 2013, your contribution amount to these accounts will have an annual limit of $2,500; previously there was no limit.

    Effective date: Jan. 1, 2011, for the medication provision; Jan. 1, 2013, for the contribution limit.

    6. Tanning will cost you

    You've been paying a 10 percent tax every time you've visited the tanning booth, thanks to health care reform.

    The UV-emitting tanning devices have been classified as "carcinogenic to humans" by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, which is part of the World Health Organization. Indoor tanning has also been banned for minors in California because of the potential for skin cancer.

    Effective date: July 1, 2010.

    7. Support for wellness programs at work

    Face it, staying healthy in a stressful workplace with the tempting soda machine in the break room can be tough. But the health care reform law gives companies incentives to start wellness initiatives.

    Small business got incentives in 2011, when companies with fewer than 100 employees working at least 25 hours per week became eligible for wellness program grants. The law sets up a $200 million grant program from 2011 to 2015.

    As of 2014, participants in wellness programs generally can get discounts or rewards from their employers of up to 30 percent of the cost of their health care premiums (currently, the maximum discount is 20 percent). That reward can go up to 50 percent if the secretaries of Labor, Health and Human Services and the Treasury deem it appropriate.

    Effective date: Jan. 1, 2011, for the small business and Jan. 1, 2014, for the potential discount raise.

    8. Free preventive care

    Mammograms, physical exams, colonoscopies, vaccinations -- these are among the preventive care services that will be fully covered by insurance companies.

    This requirement kicked in for new health insurance plans that began on or after September 2010. Examples of preventive care include screenings for cholesterol, diabetes, HIV and sexually transmitted diseases, which are covered without a co-pay.

    For women, this would also cover genetic counseling for the BRCA gene for women at higher risk of breast cancer, mammograms every one or two years for women over age 40 and HPV DNA testing every three years for women. For kids, the services include autism, vision, developmental and lead screenings. The complete list is available here.

    Effective date: All health insurance plans must comply by 2018.

    9. Home visits to expecting families

    The law also includes funding support for early childhood home visitation for people expecting children and families who have young children. Professionals come to the home to provide information and support. The aim is to reduce child abuse and neglect, promote the health of mothers and their children and prioritize high-risk populations. Research supports such positive outcomes. The health care law provides $1.5 billion for related state-based initiatives over five years.

    Effective date: Began in 2010 with $100 million for fiscal year.

    10. Health plans you can read

    Have you ever been confused by the language in health insurance plans?

    The health reform law requires health insurers and health plans to provide concise and understandable information about the plan and its benefits. According to the Health and Human Services press release, "The new rules will also make it easier for people and employers to directly compare one plan to another."

    Patients have a right to two key documents to understand and compare their health insurance choices: a comprehensible summary of benefits (which is standardized similar to nutrition facts on packaged foods) and a glossary of terms of health insurance coverage.

    Effective date: Sept. 23, 2012.

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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by vort3xr6 View Post
    Socialized medicine. lulz.

    The fat pieces of shit Americans and the bored old people who pollute our hospitals and drive up insurance costs don't need anymore hand outs. I have an insurance idea. The more unhealthy you are, the more you pay. Flat tax style.
    I'm sure you would have no problem letting a government or a for profit company to into your lifestyle to the point of knowing what things they might consider unhealthy in order to adjust your rate appropriately.

    Anyone want to guess on how riding a motorcycle might affect your price for health insurance under this idea?
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    I personally disagree with the mandate forcing people to buy insurance or get fined. I think a better idea would be one large pool of people that insurance companies can buy into that includes every working member of the government from president to dog catcher. These policies would be available to every American citizen.

    However I do mostly agree with every other part of the act and would fix the act not overturn it and go back to what we had before.
    I'm probably in line with most of what you believe about it. I think it's probably grossly bloated with crap and needs a real overhauling into more realistic goals and methods. Major streamlining too, by a non-political team of REAL healthcare/insurance/legal professionals, not big corporate schills or far-left socialist pinkos.

    The SCotUS is majority (5-4) Conservative justices though, so is there a good chance of them overturning it?

    Here is a great article. And don't cry, it's not the "evil liberal media", it shows SEVERAL sides, both for and against the Healthcare bill from real-world people:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/politi...kes/index.html

    Good info SportBkBabe, thanks for posting.
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosty View Post
    Here is a great article. And don't cry, it's not the "evil liberal media", it shows SEVERAL sides, both for and against the Healthcare bill from real-world people:
    You're forgetting that since it's not on Fox, it's inherently evil liberal media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    I'm sure you would have no problem letting a government or a for profit company to into your lifestyle to the point of knowing what things they might consider unhealthy in order to adjust your rate appropriately.

    Anyone want to guess on how riding a motorcycle might affect your price for health insurance under this idea?
    Good point. I live a healthy-ish lifestyle. I have been to the doctor twice in the past 5 years yet I pay for accident insurance, health insurance, and life insurance. Risky and healthy are two different things to judge on though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    I'm sure you would have no problem letting a government or a for profit company to into your lifestyle to the point of knowing what things they might consider unhealthy in order to adjust your rate appropriately.

    Anyone want to guess on how riding a motorcycle might affect your price for health insurance under this idea?
    Actually since you brought it up, who here knows what the policy is on health insurance if you wreck and die on the track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grim View Post
    Actually since you brought it up, who here knows what the policy is on health insurance if you wreck and die on the track?
    If you're racing, no policy insures this. Track days are usually approved though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Don't go bringing your logic into our meaningless thread, we're just here for the flames, and cannot handle any post that requires thought.
    That's what us blondes are here for, it's to confuse you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprtbkbabe View Post
    If you're racing, no policy insures this. Track days are usually approved though
    Out of curiosity, what happens if you get injured racing? Can you get a separate policy to cover it or is it out of pocket?

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    "2. More breastfeeding rooms and breaks

    Many working mothers now get a more appropriate place for expressing breast milk than they had before. Employers must provide "a place, other than a bathroom, that is shielded from view and free from intrusion from co-workers and the public, which may be used by an employee to express breast milk."

    Nursing mothers also can take "reasonable" breaks during the workday to express milk, as frequently as the mother needs. The exception is companies with fewer than 50 employees, which can claim it's an undue hardship.

    Effective date: March 23, 2010."

    Funny thing: as soon as they built one at the place I worked in Idaho Falls, shortly after a couple got caught screwing in it. It had a bed and everything. I was just bummer I couldn't convince my G/F at the time to be the first to "break it in"!

    I'm sure there are SOME little tidbits in there that are good, chief for me being "no pre-existing conditions", but as mentioned, it's couple thousand page monstrosity that's incomprehensible and that nobody read prior to the "foaming at the crotch" libs signing it. SRSLY????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penadam View Post
    Out of curiosity, what happens if you get injured racing? Can you get a separate policy to cover it or is it out of pocket?
    Quote Originally Posted by sprtbkbabe View Post
    If you're racing, no policy insures this. Track days are usually approved though

    Not true. Even if it is competition based, they will still cover it as long as I don't make any money from it. Here is the exact wording from my policy...I have Kaiser BTW.

    Under limitations and exclusions:
    No benefits will be provided if the injury is caused by, or as a result of participation (as a professional) in any contest of speed in a power driven vehicle for pay or profit.

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    In other words, check your policy. I'm sure you will be surprised what is in there ether way.

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    See I have a huge problem with this:

    3. Caloric reality at every major chain restaurants

    Under the law, you would walk into a place like McDonald's and see calories listed under every menu item -- Big Mac (540 calories), McNuggets (10 pieces- 470 calories) and medium fries (380 calories).

    The law requires restaurants with 20 or more locations to list calorie content information for standard menu items on menus and drive-through menus. Other fun facts like fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrates, sugars, fiber and total protein would have to be made available in writing upon request.


    So far, there is mixed evidence about whether calorie postings sway nutritional choices.


    The rule also extends to vending machine operators who own or operate 20 or more vending machines. The FDA issued a report in April 2011, and left out movie theaters among those establishments required to post calories. So, if implemented, you can tell how many calories your sandwich has at Subway, but you won't be able to tell how many calories your buckets of popcorn have at the movie theater.


    Effective date: The FDA has not yet issued a final rule, so there is no time line on its implementation.


    I don't understand forcing organizations/restaurants to put nutritional values on food items. If they want to of their own "free will" then that's great.

    But the point is, I don't go to McDonalds, Burger King, Sonic, etc. to eat healthy. I go there to kill a few burgers, some fries and polish it off with a extra large Coca Cola. I don't want to be told I'm eating unhealthy food and I sure as hell don't care to see nutritional values on fast food. I already know it's not the most healthy food for me. I already know, I would be better off eating some vegetables. But you know what, some days I just don't care and like stopping for lunch and buying food that is not good for me.

    Do I love healthy food?? Yep, I'll tear up some raw spinach, cauliflower, broccoli, carrots, onions, etc. I love eating fruits, veges, whole grains. I also love bad food as well, and I just couldn't care less about the caloric intake or nutritional facts of either good or bad foods. I know what's good and I know what's bad. It's pretty simple and if you were raised with any kind of normal parents. Then you automatically know what's good and bad. If people need the government to tell them what's good food and bad food, then they are just too stupid for their own good and deserve what they get.

    The kind of people that need this direction in their lives are the ones that do eat junk food all day ever day. Are inactive piles of goo on the couch and then complain because McDonald's made them fat!! Here's a brilliant FRESH!! new idea. Push away from the damn dinner table once and awhile. Mix in some outdoor activities or exercise. STOP pounding ding dongs and try a pear or apple. But for God sakes, lets keep the government out of mandating that nutritional values be slapped on every f**kin piece of food. If you're too stupid and too fat, that's not my problem.


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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    In other words, check your policy. I'm sure you will be surprised what is in there ether way.
    True, most of any individual policy is open to interpretation.
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    I'm one of the people desperate for a pre-existing conditions exception. I really really need it and I'll be gone pretty soon without one. Just know, I'm here.
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    Re: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act argued by the Supreme Court

    Again, not taking sides, but what's the opposition's answer to this girl's parents?:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health...html?hpt=hp_t2

    Health care reform made lifetime limits illegal -- which is why Violet's family breathed easier when it passed -- but now her parents are worried the Supreme Court could restore the limits and Violet would lose her insurance. Walters has been so passionate about health care reform she contacted the office of Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California) and MomsRising.org to advocate for the law.
    If Violet does lose her current insurance, her parents know there's no way another insurance company will want to insure her because her care is so expensive.
    "They'd be crazy to want to insure her," Walters says. "I mean, I wouldn't want to insure her if I was an insurance company."
    Obviously we should all have mental lists of what we think is good and bad about it, not just "It's all bullshit and needs to go away". The pre-existing conditions considerations and no lifetime-limits should factor as two of the more important ones that need to stay, imo. For me, another big thing is MAJOR Medicaid/Medicare overhaul, digital records conversion, and other cost-streamlining efforts. Especially concerning the rampant fraud, while insurance companies line their pockets with gold every day. (no that's melodramatic, they really do stick it to us whenever they can, nickle & diming us TO DEATH, refuse legit claims, etc.) Sorry, that's not going to be solved by 100% pure free-market capitalist insurance, imo. Some regulation needs to be in play to protect our most vulnerable. This is America, not N.Korea, red China, Africa, or some other MiddleEastern shitbox where they don't give a lick about their citizens health.
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