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2003 VFR800
2007 GSX-R600
2007 R1
2003 R6 Race bike
2010 Ducati SF1098
2016 60th R1
2018 Aprilia Tuono V4 1100RR
2024 Aprilia Tuono Factory Ultra Gold
Lol.. Are you really going to compare today with the past? I mean we had actual death threats back in the day. Csc.. We know drama. Remember that? Hell I had the cops called on me once.
So I would have to say if anything things are much quieter. People just don't post.
And don't blame that shit on me. The peak of this site was years after I joined. I've been the same guy from day one.
Gramps, I have been here a long time and know and remember you well. All I can ask is do you see any moderators on this site anymore, do you see the presidents still posting, have most old school members left (do you know why; a lot was not about the members but how the club was run; from my experience and talking to them). There are a lot of people to blame, but I am not so sure it is the members as a club is only as good as it's organization and leadership
Not to mention we lost most our members when the site was changed over to this new format; it was down longer than it should have been during the change and few were aware it was coming back and assumed it finally was gone (we had a lot of server issues, so it is not hard to think it was gone). Links werr also changed that confused people; I thought the site was down till people told me the old link did not work (I'd say I went 1 1/2 weeks before I figured this out: I had used the same bookmark for years).
Then the fact that most the motorcycle talk has been talked about years ago and is now just a lot of repetitive that most the older members have read a hundreds times; yet newbies think these are some new topics and get annoyed when little activity goers to a topic already discussed. Also doesn't seem to be about helping newbies anymore and much more about being the "popular" guy so you got people telling newbies to get the newest 1000cc.
Overall it lost the close family feeling we used to be because we didn't have so many members. I wish it would have been limited and then that would have stayed, but the club was more into growing nationally and that went away and has created a lot of what it is now.
A few of us have stuck around, but I am sure we agree with you and miss the old days. Only way I see any changes is for the people in power to change things.....as members not much we can do.
There was a lot of arguing and stuff back in the days too; heck I remember Hoopty, Big-J, and I would go at it hardcore then meet up late that night and laugh about it (to the point where people would PM us to calm down). Now people take it all serious; I believe because we don't have that family connection like before. Anyone wants to act like this is new they do not remember people like Briz, Bertha, BiSexual Britteny, and even old Barn that caused a lot of drama. I remembered Briz got so bad they gave him his own forum to have fun in (see good decision by the people in power because if you liked Briz you went to his forum and knew it was a crazy place. Didn't like that talk, you didn't go in).
Bulldog's Motto: F*ck around and I'm going to bite you!!!
I agree with your direction but I think I can summarize it for clarity sake.
It's not so much that the "family" went away it is the value that was diluted. There was value at one time in several aspects. I tried to protect the value for the people that were the normal participants on rides I posted but it was too much to manage. So we quit posting content of any value here and took it to a private site.
When several others did the same thing then most of the value went away. With very little exception that I have found if there is no value in a product most people don't support it.
All the issues about the site being down and transitions are really just side effects. I would guess, if the powers that control this site pulled it back some and eliminated the element that add little or no value to the actual content of the site not only would it rebound to what it once was but it would flourish. There are sites in other areas that are very successful and have great content for new and old alike.
Tom
'07 ZX-6R
'12 1199 Panigale S
Yeah, people like Dayna (Devaclis), you, Sasha and some others got tired of this place and went and made their own.....and took their entire crew with them. Dayna was huge for the south crew, and he went away a lot of people followed him. You (Gramps) were more with the old school members and racers, and I assume most of them left this for another place like the MRA boards. Sasha was basically the north unspoken leader and same thing....he took his crew with him too after getting tired of this place. Heck even the funny "fluff rider" crew of King Nothing, Bertha, Jenny etc are rarely ever on now....another crew gone!
My crew is gone and really only Barn and I are still here; BigJ and Hoopty probably haven't been on this site for years.
I admit I am to blame also because I just am not into riding like I was back in the day and currently do not have a bike, so I do gravitate to other topics. Honestly I just try to find things people want to talk about because I will leave for a hour and come back and see nobody has posted one thing.....so sad. That brings up a point of most the people that are complaining are also people who rarely start a new topic and that is all what a board is about.
I've almost given up making new posts because they usually get crapped on and people don't realize I was just trying to get some talk going.
P.S. Now we seem to have lost Chadwick.....wtf!
Bulldog's Motto: F*ck around and I'm going to bite you!!!