Motorcycle lapping day June 13th at Pueblo

[The Black Knight]

When you go to register for another track day at PMP or HPR you sill see your credit at checkout. It is weird. You can't see your credit on your account until you are about to checkout for another day. HPR uses the same system so you should see the credit if you register for an HPR day.

I see, thanks for clearing that up. Was kind of what I expected that if there was a credit it would be hidden somewhere and show up around check out at a later date. I did receive an email from Gari that I would be getting a full refund in 24 hours. Not sure if any of you got the same email as I did. If not, mine could be that I sent an email expressing my disappointment with the whole situation. I understand where they are coming from but countered that they need to understand where their customer base are coming from. I did mention that a full refund is the proper and correct thing to do, and that a credit would not suffice in my case, especially when I had made plans for the track day and now have to change them.

It usually takes her a couple days to issue the credits. She might do a refund, but they are hesitant to do that.

Black Night, I encourage you not to abandon them. They are new owners, they need advice on how to get this working right. They are already several steps ahead of Judy as they now have plenty of corner workers, as well as an ALS ambulance on site at all times. That costs money, a lot of it. Every track has minimum numbers they need to hit, for good reason. And hell, the fact that they're trying for us is awesome, because they are losing money now for all of the work they put in to get this track day going, and not making a dime.

First and foremost, they need to stop with the car or bike only days. Put the two together. It's always worked smoothly in the past, and both groups got along really well.

Sorry man, this was the last time I'm giving PMP a chance to get it right. Again, there's that "they need advice on how to get this working right" phrase that I've seen mentioned before. I just can't get past the fact that a company that was supposed to have all the answers when they took over the business, now needs advice from the customer base in order to just run a track day. I completely can see when a company is flourishing and expanding to a point of exhaustion of ideas, that they would turn to their customers and ask them what they might expand on, or offer as a new service. PMP isn't in that boat. They're not gaining traction, they're losing it.

I'll tell you the same thing I told Gari. I've decided to indefinitely suspend any patronage of PMP from now and into the future.

If that means I don't get to the track a lot this year then so be it. I'll hit up HPR and possibly try and work in a PPIR track day if they come available. Honestly, if it does become more and more of a problem in getting out and the time off for track days. I may convert my bike back to street and ride it. Or sell it altogether and just go back to a cruiser for commuting to work. I don't really believe in relegating a Superbike to commuting duties. It's like taking a thoroughbred and using it to plow crops. Sure it can do it and do it well and live a great life, but it was meant for so much more.



P.S.
I do have one piece of advice to give. If money is all that matters in this situation(which it almost always does), then my recommendation to PMP is to have the track bulldozed to the ground. Re-zoned for commercial or heavy residential use and make money on the apartments or condominiums and small business/gas stations that will spring up in its place. Least that way, money is made and the community as a whole is served. People will habitat the homes, use the light commercial business and things will be better as a whole. Progress is then made. Can't make progress by cancelling track days....

[GNGSXR]

Sorry man, this was the last time I'm giving PMP a chance to get it right. Again, there's that "they need advice on how to get this working right" phrase that I've seen mentioned before. I just can't get past the fact that a company that was supposed to have all the answers when they took over the business, now needs advice from the customer base in order to just run a track day. I completely can see when a company is flourishing and expanding to a point of exhaustion of ideas, that they would turn to their customers and ask them what they might expand on, or offer as a new service. PMP isn't in that boat. They're not gaining traction, they're losing it.

P.S.
I do have one piece of advice to give. If money is all that matters in this situation(which it almost always does), then my recommendation to PMP is to have the track bulldozed to the ground. Re-zoned for commercial or heavy residential use and make money on the apartments or condominiums and small business/gas stations that will spring up in its place. Least that way, money is made and the community as a whole is served. People will habitat the homes, use the light commercial business and things will be better as a whole. Progress is then made. Can't make progress by cancelling track days....

Well that's a shit attitude to have. Did Pueblo motorsports park murder your family or cause some sort of harm to you? Haha. I'm just kidding.

I am just trying to do my best to stay positive about PMP. I also have a very flexible work schedule so it is not as much of burden to me when the days get cancelled. I understand where you are coming from though.

They do need our advice. It seemed like they were originally only focused on drag racing. I have no evidence of this. It was just a gut feeling. If we quit showing up to track days or quit pestering them about track days then they may stop doing them.

I just realized that HPR holds track days during the summer regardless of the amount of signups they get. I thought they had a minimum number as well but that is only during the winter months. I wonder when PMP will be able to do this as well.

[The Black Knight]

Well that's a shit attitude to have. Did Pueblo motorsports park murder your family or cause some sort of harm to you? Haha. I'm just kidding.

I am just trying to do my best to stay positive about PMP. I also have a very flexible work schedule so it is not as much of burden to me when the days get cancelled. I understand where you are coming from though.

They do need our advice. It seemed like they were originally only focused on drag racing. I have no evidence of this. It was just a gut feeling. If we quit showing up to track days or quit pestering them about track days then they may stop doing them.

I just realized that HPR holds track days during the summer regardless of the amount of signups they get. I thought they had a minimum number as well but that is only during the winter months. I wonder when PMP will be able to do this as well.

Not shitty attitude, just being cynical about the whole event.

For me, at my old job I had a much more flexible position. There were more on my last crew that could cover for each other. Now my new position, I'm on a smaller crew and it's harder to get coverage, especially during this time of year. So for me, when I line something up I want it to go through. As it takes me several weeks of planning at work to make it happen. Not like at my old job, where I could give my supervisor a day or two notice that I would be taking a day off. Now, I'm looking at a couple weeks of notice in order to plan for an event/track day. Which is why last year and in years past, track days at PMP have worked easier for me as they were held on the weekends(primarily on Sunday). I can make those happen easy when it's on the weekend.

Yes, I had seen that from HPR as well. They hold track days regardless, and that's the proper way to run a track. If it's planned, then the show goes on. Have not been to HPR but does look like a much more professional organization that runs it.

Lastly, it may have been a dick thing to say but there is some truth in my cynical comments. If they can't get it together and run it properly, that's what I would recommend for the future. Sell it off and build something else that people will use. Cause at this point, we aren't getting to use PMP as it stands now. So I may be a dick, but I'm telling it like it is...