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    Yes, they did, summary conclusion on page 62 - http://www.distraction.gov/download/811757.pdf

    The results from this study present a clear
    finding: VM subtasks performed on HH cell phones
    degrade driver performance and increase SCE ris
    The results from this study present a clear finding: VM (visual-manual) subtasks performed on HH (hands free) cell phones
    degrade driver performance and increase SCE (safety critical event) risk.


    I stand by my statement, that it has been studied and I'd hate to see funds wasted on enacting useless legislation when pre-existing laws can be enforced.
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    Department of Transportation or the National Highway Traffic Safety
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    Ok, buddy...one handed driving is a safe as two handed:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    DISCLAIMER (from your article): The opinions, findings, and conclusions expressed
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    Ok, buddy...one handed driving is a safe as two handed:
    I'm not being snarky and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't be either. Look, I understand that it seems logical that something in your hand is more distracting than just talking to the air. However the studies show it isn't the item in the hand that is the distraction, it's the actual converstation. Myth Busters has covered it if you want the entertaining version. Here is yet another study that has the same information: http://www.nsc.org/Pages/Hands-FreeP...eldPhones.aspx

    My point is that again, the legislation would be costly and simply not the most effective use of limited funds. Enforcing existing laws tends to be more effective that writing new ones. I'd much rather see it put into something else like education as others have mentioned or gathering data on lane-splitting as a possible safer way to ease congestion.
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    I'm not being snarky and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't be either. Look, I understand that it seems logical that something in your hand is more distracting than just talking to the air. However the studies show it isn't the item in the hand that is the distraction, it's the actual converstation. Myth Busters has covered it if you want the entertaining version. Here is yet another study that has the same information: http://www.nsc.org/Pages/Hands-FreeP...eldPhones.aspx

    My point is that again, the legislation would be costly and simply not the most effective use of limited funds. Enforcing existing laws tends to be more effective that writing new ones. I'd much rather see it put into something else like education as others have mentioned or gathering data on lane-splitting as a possible safer way to ease congestion.
    Look, the point of this thread was to give ideas bornwildnfree. I don't think this was about shooting down people's ideas unless somehow you are bornwildnfree! So maybe go spend that energy on YOUR suggestions instead of criticizing others!

    I've tried driving my manual transmission with one hand and I can tell you it is not easy; one hand has to shift while steering wheel is not manned. Again, common sense to me...I don't believe everything I read online though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Look, the point of this thread was to give ideas bornwildnfree. I don't think this was about shooting down people's ideas unless somehow you are bornwildnfree! So maybe go spend that energy on YOUR suggestions instead of criticizing others!

    I've tried driving my manual transmission with one hand and I can tell you it is not easy; one hand has to shift while steering wheel is not manned. Again, common sense to me...I don't believe everything I read online though.
    I'm not trying to shoot down ideas, I'm trying to provide well thought out information as to where those funds should go to benefit us most. If you have empirical data such as I've been linking to that shows this would be a good use of said funds, feel free to share.

    As for "I don't believe everything I read online" this isn't me making up or using anecdotal evidence. These are well funded, well controlled studies with clear sources for their data and conclusions. This is exactly the type of thing you should believe on the internet.

    I just want to re-inforce, this isn't a personal attack against you or your ideas. I just happen to be familiar with these studies and information and I'm trying to relate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generic View Post
    I'm not trying to shoot down ideas, I'm trying to provide well thought out information as to where those funds should go to benefit us most. If you have empirical data such as I've been linking to that shows this would be a good use of said funds, feel free to share.

    As for "I don't believe everything I read online" this isn't me making up or using anecdotal evidence. These are well funded, well controlled studies with clear sources for their data and conclusions. This is exactly the type of thing you should believe on the internet.

    I just want to re-inforce, this isn't a personal attack against you or your ideas. I just happen to be familiar with these studies and information and I'm trying to relate that.
    My education comes from 17+ years of riding sportbikes....not some lame studies. When I see people year and year again on cell phones nearly killing me because they are not paying attention then yes I find it a problem! Sure I'd like all cell phones banned while driving, but let's face it that is not going to happen so this was the best I came up with.

    Not sure how long you have been riding, but seeing as you joined a year ago makes me wonder if you are paying attention more to studies than what you experience on the road


    P.S. I personal train people like you all the time that come in with articles they read on how the best way is to get in shape. They find out quick that reading studies is not the same as getting in their and experiencing it. Same as with sportbikes...someone can read articles all day, but it is the experience that really matters
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