10 mistakes guys make

[Shea]

You go ahead and point out to me exactly where I said that single people were losers. go for it! I'm listening!

I'm not the only one who took your comments to mean that Chris, so it doesn't seem that far out in left field...

Shea, you seem to know a lot about women and I don't doubt any of your knowledge or experience, but I do question whether or not you're following your own advice sometimes. I was largely commenting on the irony that those who know the most about the subject are currently not with someone as you might expect. If I'm an amazing soccer player, then you'd think that I'd be on a team making money instead of watching the game at home on TV. Again, irony.

Why is it ironic Chris? I guess the reason I am so "incensed" is because I'm surprised you would take such an asinine stance. You're the one who is taking the position that since I'm not in a relationship somehow my views on one are diminished in some capacity. Really? Just because I have yet to find someone I am compatible with (for a long haul) I am somehow less able to opine on the male/female dynamic? Boggles the mind...

I know exactly what I want Chris. Additionally I am a pretty good judge of character. I can look at someone, how they walk, talk, interact with friends and decide if that person is someone I want to get to know. Just because I see a cute girl doesn't mean that I have to go talk to her. Intuition is a wonderful thing and I try and listen to mine.

Some men are the exact opposite. For them separating the wheat from the chaff involves dating dozens of women, talking to ones they find just the least bit attractive, all for the process of determining what clicks with them. I've already done my field work.

However, am I perfect, have it all figured out? Of course not. But I am trying to be at least better.

I'm not calling anyone a loser here so I feel like you're looking to take offense and carry the flag of singledom in defense of an attack that's never coming.

All I can do is react to what you have posted. I feel no obligation to carry any flag for singles. My desire to find "the one" and have a relationship to end all relationships is of no mystery to anyone who knows me.

Once again Chris, you took the time to post that those of us that are not in a relationship are somehow less able/informed to opine on the subject. For a bright guy I find that the most retarded position to take. We are all single until we find someone to put up with us. How patronizing would it feel if I said the same thing to you prior to your relationship with girlie?

As with my political views, any of my beliefs on men, women, relationships, love, chivalry (or anything else I believe in) is open to debate. I welcome the discussion.

[MetaLord 9]

Why is it ironic Chris? I guess the reason I am so "incensed" is because I'm surprised you would take such an asinine stance.

Which stance? I think you're taking what I said and blowing it out of proportion, man! There is no value judgement assigned with the term "irony."

You're the one who is taking the position that since I'm not in a relationship somehow my views on one are diminished in some capacity.

Again, point out to me where I said this.

I know exactly what I want Chris. Additionally I am a pretty good judge of character. I can look at someone, how they walk, talk, interact with friends and decide if that person is someone I want to get to know. Just because I see a cute girl doesn't mean that I have to go talk to her. Intuition is a wonderful thing and I try and listen to mine.
Some men are the exact opposite. For them separating the wheat from the chaff involves dating dozens of women, talking to ones they find just the least bit attractive, all for the process of determining what clicks with them. I've already done my field work.

If you're implying that I don't listen to mine then I take offense to that. I wouldn't be where I am (generalization for my life not relating to any specific aspect of it) if I didn't.

However, am I perfect, have it all figured out? Of course not. But I am trying to be at least better.

An endeavor which I have already applauded at least once in this thread.

Once again Chris, you took the time to post that those of us that are not in a relationship are somehow less able/informed to opine on the subject.

I took the time to point out the irony of the situation, not assess a value judgement, call names, or launch a personal attack. I'm using the definition of irony to mean "the opposite of what one might expect" in this case.

For a bright guy I find that the most retarded position to take. We are all single until we find someone to put up with us. How patronizing would it feel if I said the same thing to you prior to your relationship with girlie?

Were you to come at me with the "you're single and thus uninformed and illprepared to comment on the topic," then it's probably seem patronizing, but, I want to make this abundantly clear right now, I AM NOT ASCRIBING ANY KIND OF A VALUE JUDGEMENT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SINGLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP, OR ANYONE ELSE IN BETWEEN.

Shea, I suck at being single man. Even if you DID say something like that to me, you'd probby be right on b/c it's only by the grace of God that I lucked into a woman as wonderful as Lindsey and certainly no feat of my own skill, knowledge, or attractiveness.

As with my political views, any of my beliefs on men, women, relationships, love, chivalry (or anything else I believe in) is open to debate. I welcome the discussion.

Shea, you always have intelligent and passionate discussions. You present your point elloquently. In this case, however, I ask that you please try to understand that I haven't intentionally insulted anyone. You know that's not a position I usually take and if you read it that way, then perhaps it was a simple case of misunderstanding. I fully respect your right and ability to defend yourself & your beliefs, but I feel that you're perhaps being overly sensistive here and needlessly putting yourself on the offensive. Open discussion is a wonderful thing, but I urge you to take a step back & reflect on what I've said and the intentions that I've explained were behind it and once we've both returned from the defensive, then an open discussion can resume.

[Horsman]

I have to agree with Shea. If you have someone that loves you and you love them. Rejoice. Rejoice for there are many of us that hope, wish and dream of having that special person in our lives. Each one of us has our own funny, silly and sometimes crazy ways to find that special person (drunk dailing doesn't work "wooken pa nub" - mistake number 11).

Because we don't have that special person doesn't make us any less valuable and important as a human being (if anything, it makes more appreciative of the relationship if we are blessed enough to be in one).

I know I made a simple comment yesterday (which I know finding that special person isn't easy - staying with that special person isn't easy - it is hard - it requires something more to keep it alive).

“But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.” William Butler Yeats.

[dirkterrell]

Isn't Horsman's quoting of Yeats one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Dirk

[MetaLord 9]

Isn't Horsman's quoting of Yeats one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Dirk

Is he one of the four hoursemen of the Apocalypse??

I have to agree with Shea. If you have someone that loves you and you love them. Rejoice. Rejoice for there are many of us that hope, wish and dream of having that special person in our lives. Each one of us has our own funny, silly and sometimes crazy ways to find that special person (drunk dailing doesn't work "wooken pa nub" - mistake number 11).

Because we don't have that special person doesn't make us any less valuable and important as a human being (if anything, it makes more appreciative of the relationship if we are blessed enough to be in one).

I know I made a simple comment yesterday (which I know finding that special person isn't easy - staying with that special person isn't easy - it is hard - it requires something more to keep it alive).

“But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.” William Butler Yeats.

I absolutely agree with you, John, and I never indicated that you were any less valueable for any reason!

[Shea]

Chris, shut the hell up and come to HH tonight so I can punch you in the baby-maker...

I hate you so hard right now, I will crush you with my man cleavage!!!!!

[Horsman]

Isn't Horsman's quoting of Yeats one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Dirk

Not Yet - now if I start quoting (my old Baltimore neighbor) - E. A. POE... Run...

[MetaLord 9]

I've gotta simmah down nah first.

Defending myself for something I didn't do is tiring and very aggrevating but I'll buy you a beer later, Shea.

[Horsman]

Might be after a night of Fireballs...


the ladies run-eth

[MetaLord 9]

"The Horsman Cometh" ???????

sounds like a porno that I never want to see...

[Shea]

I've gotta simmah down nah first.

Defending myself for something I didn't do is tiring and very aggrevating but I'll buy you a beer later, Shea.

Misunderstandings on both sides. You're ok, I'm ok. Chock it up to interwebz and blame it on Bill Gates...

[Horsman]

"The Horsman Cometh" ???????

sounds like a porno that I never want to see...

It is Starring Ron Jeremy!!! I know you'll like the HAIR factor...

[Shea]

OK, chivalry...

I know I had read Capellanus' 31 rules a while ago. Here they are:

I. Marriage is no real excuse for not loving.
II. He who is not jealous cannot love.
III. No one can be bound by a double love.
IV. It is well known that love is always increasing or decreasing.
V. That which a lover takes against the will of his beloved has no relish.
VI. Boys do not love until they arrive at the age of maturity.
VII. When one lover dies, a widowhood of two years is required of the survivor.
VIII. No one should be deprived of love without the very best of reasons.
IX. No one can love unless he is impelled by the persuasion of love.
X. Love is always a stranger in the home of avarice.
XI. It is not proper to love any woman whom one would be ashamed to seek to marry.
XII. A true lover does not desire to embrace in love anyone except his beloved.
XIII. When made public love rarely endures.
XIV. The easy attainment of love makes it of little value; difficulty of attainment makes it prized.
XV. Every lover regularly turns pale in the presence of his beloved.
XVI. When a lover suddenly catches sight of his beloved, his heart palpitates.
XVII. A new love puts to flight an old one.
XVIII. Good character alone makes any man worthy of love.
XIX. If love diminishes, it quickly fails and rarely revives.
XX. A man in love is always apprehensive.
XXI. Real jealousy always increases the feeling of love.
XXII. Jealousy, and therefore love, are increased when one suspects his beloved.
XXIII. He whom the thought of love vexes eats and sleeps very little.
XXIV. Every act of a lover ends in the thought of his beloved.
XXV. A true lover considers nothing good except what he thinks will please his beloved.
XXVI. Love can deny nothing to love.
XXVII. A lover can never have enough of the solaces of his beloved.
XXVIII. A slight presumption causes a lover to suspect his beloved.
XXIX. A man who is vexed by too much passion usually does not love.
XXX. A true lover is constantly and without intermission possessed by the thought of his beloved.
XXXI. Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two women.

Take what you want from it. These were from the 12th century.

Also, some overarching themes of "the code"

Prowess: To seek excellence in all endeavors expected of a knight, martial and otherwise, seeking strength to be used in the service of justice, rather than in personal aggrandizement.

Justice: Seek always the path of 'right', unencumbered by bias or personal interest. Recognize that the sword of justice can be a terrible thing, so it must be tempered by humanity and mercy. If the 'right' you see rings agrees with others, and you seek it out without bending to the temptation for expediency, then you will earn renown beyond measure.

Loyalty: Be known for unwavering commitment to the people and ideals you choose to live by. There are many places where compromise is expected; loyalty is not amongst them.

Defense: The ideal knight was sworn by oath to defend his liege lord and those who depended upon him. Seek always to defend your nation, your family, and those to whom you believe worthy of loyalty.

Courage: Being a knight often means choosing the more difficult path, the personally expensive one. Be prepared to make personal sacrifices in service of the precepts and people you value. At the same time, a knight should seek wisdom to see that stupidity and courage are cousins. Courage also means taking the side of truth in all matters, rather than seeking the expedient lie. Seek the truth whenever possible, but remember to temper justice with mercy, or the pure truth can bring grief.

Faith: A knight must have faith in his beliefs, for faith roots him and gives hope against the despair that human failings create.

Humility: Value first the contributions of others; do not boast of your own accomplishments, let others do this for you. Tell the deeds of others before your own, according them the renown rightfully earned through virtuous deeds. In this way the office of knighthood is well done and glorified, helping not only the gentle spoken of but also all who call themselves knights.

Largesse: Be generous in so far as your resources allow; largesse used in this way counters gluttony. It also makes the path of mercy easier to discern when a difficult decision of justice is required.

Nobility: Seek great stature of character by holding to the virtues and duties of a knight, realizing that though the ideals cannot be reached, the quality of striving towards them ennobles the spirit, growing the character from dust towards the heavens. Nobility also has the tendency to influence others, offering a compelling example of what can be done in the service of rightness.

Franchise: Seek to emulate everything I have spoken of as sincerely as possible, not for the reason of personal gain but because it is right. Do not restrict your exploration to a small world, but seek to infuse every aspect of your life with these qualities. Should you succeed in even a tiny measure then you will be well remembered for your quality and virtue.

[MetaLord 9]

It is Starring Ron Jeremy!!! I know you'll like the HAIR factor...

Yeah, 'cause what really makes a porno good to me is the dude's hair factor.

[Snowman]

Misunderstandings on both sides. You're ok, I'm ok. Chock it up to interwebz and blame it on Bill Gates...

Nope Al Gore has the blame on this one…

[Shea]

Nope Al Gore has the blame on this one…

/slapforehead Of course how could I forget his worthless ass!?

[Horsman]

Nope Al Gore has the blame on this one…

I am glad he made the Internet...

[MetaLord 9]

Nope Al Gore has the blame on this one…

/slapforehead Of course how could I forget his worthless ass!?

I'm gonna go to his house, tell him I invented the ass kicking, then turn around and win a nobel prize for it. Which one you ask? The Nobel Ass Kicking prize. That's right. It's so amazing, it gets its own prize. suck it trebek!

[zetaetatheta]

Mistake number 11--reading this thread

[Horsman]

Mistake number 11--reading this thread

You actually read this??? I am printing it out and making a book - I am calling it (WTF).

[MetaLord 9]

Mistake number 11--reading this thread

Hay, do you wanna sword fight? 'cause we'll do it!!

[MetaLord 9]

You actually read this??? I am printing it out and making a book - I am calling it (WTF).

It better be a pop-up book, or I'm not reading it DAMINT!!!

[Sean]

It better be a pop-up book, or I can't read it DAMINT!!!

Fixed

[Horsman]

It better be a pop-up book, or I'm not reading it DAMINT!!!

Actually, I am making it into a POP-up just for you... I know how you like it when shit is flying at your face...
"Monkeyboy" my loyal sidekick...