Death Star vs. Enterprise

[Shea]

Did you actually watch the movie or only listen to the soundtrack?

He was obviously referring to the weapons systems. The thing had months if not years of work before it was fully operational. I would bout it could leave orbit, much less survive light speed.

He said it, not me man. Now we're going to get into a semantic argument over the meaning of "fully operational"?

[Shea]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...veMinutes.html

Here ya go.

I like the comparison between Slave-1 and the Enterprise-D. One of the coolest sound effects was the seismic charges from Jengo's ship. Lucas likes the "bang on the guide wires" sounds

[Bebop]

The definition is that Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded. Collectively the Borg are not weak minded. Individual Borg however would have to be weak minded in order to conform to the will of the collective. Why else would a Borg walk into certain death without flinching?

(And yes they really screwed up the whole idea of the Borg when they put in the queen idea.)

I agree the mechanical parts would be susceptible to jedi powers but that is no different than any other object. The jedi's used the force to influence the midiclorions around the object, not the object itself (correct me if I am wrong).

I was bored and curious so I looked up "information" (thoughts) on who, what, the borg queen is. The best I can describe it would be if you have seen Ghost in the Shell how the cyber brains would form their own ghost or "soul". The collective forms its own leader based on the experiences of the collective.

[Nerves]

This is by far one of the most enjoyable threads I have the pleasure of reading. Thank you all. I am very much enlightened.

[Bebop]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...veMinutes.html

Here ya go.

I like the comparison between Slave-1 and the Enterprise-D. One of the coolest sound effects was the seismic charges from Jengo's ship. Lucas likes the "bang on the guide wires" sounds

I think that web site brings to light something a lot of us may have overlooked. It is within the technology of the ships. That is the fact that the ships created in the star trek universe were designed to take on the types of technology that the ship would face within its own universe. It is an apples to oranges comparison. When you look at the information in this site with the Size charts back in this thread it would make since that the empire ships would have more fire power than the Federation ships. If you could size up the Federation ships or size down the Empire's ships (relatively) adding/subtracting weapons/power generation respectively based on designs and constraints within the ships that would make for a more relative comparison. On top of that the ships in the Empire were created with basically one purpose and that is power, the Federation ships had a wider mission from diplomacy to exploration to science. Which would explain the vast difference in not only size but in fire power as well.

[Shea]

....Which would explain the vast difference in not only size but in fire power as well.

Those that beat their swords into plowshares end up pulling them for those who did not.

But yeah, from different minds leap different universes.

[Shea]

Just because this is the geek thread du jour...

Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO

Now, Star Wars: Galaxies turned suck faster then a fanboy can drag Boba Fett out of a Sarlak's stomach, this one looks much, much better (for now)

Primary site:
http://www.swtor.com/

For the video:
http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/s...MMO_118635.asp

[Snowman]

I think that web site brings to light something a lot of us may have overlooked. It is within the technology of the ships. That is the fact that the ships created in the star trek universe were designed to take on the types of technology that the ship would face within its own universe. It is an apples to oranges comparison. When you look at the information in this site with the Size charts back in this thread it would make since that the empire ships would have more fire power than the Federation ships. If you could size up the Federation ships or size down the Empire's ships (relatively) adding/subtracting weapons/power generation respectively based on designs and constraints within the ships that would make for a more relative comparison. On top of that the ships in the Empire were created with basically one purpose and that is power, the Federation ships had a wider mission from diplomacy to exploration to science. Which would explain the vast difference in not only size but in fire power as well.

I have to disagree with you there. The tag line for the Star Wars Movies was “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away”. Implying that we share the same universe thus the same laws of physics would apply to Empire, Federation and Borg alike.

Those that beat their swords into plowshares end up pulling them for those who did not.

But yeah, from different minds leap different universes.

Shea, I kind a figured you would be more sympathetic to the Empire than the Federation given your political views… I just don’t see you as the prime directive, environmentally friendly, moneyless, non-capitalistic, all for the collective good Federation type.

[Shea]

Shea, I kind a figured you would be more sympathetic to the Empire than the Federation given your political views… I just don’t see you as the prime directive, environmentally friendly, moneyless, non-capitalistic, all for the collective good Federation type.

Nah, I hate big government no matter what galaxy they are in. Federation=socialist tyranny, Empire=fascist tyranny, me=strapped into the cockpit of an X-Wing fighting the good fight. Though if I were ever President I would change "Hail to the Chief" to the Imperial March just to see Barn's head implode...

I do like Star Wars better then Trek. UN in space just doesn't do it for me.

[Pandora-11]

Nah, I hate big government no matter what galaxy they are in. Federation=socialist tyranny, Empire=fascist tyranny, me=strapped into the cockpit of an X-Wing fighting the good fight. Though if I were ever President I would change "Hail to the Chief" to the Imperial March just to see Barn's head implode...

I do like Star Wars better then Trek. UN in space just doesn't do it for me.

[Snowman]

Nah, I hate big government no matter what galaxy they are in. Federation=socialist tyranny, Empire=fascist tyranny, me=strapped into the cockpit of an X-Wing fighting the good fight. Though if I were ever President I would change "Hail to the Chief" to the Imperial March just to see Barn's head implode...

I do like Star Wars better then Trek. UN in space just doesn't do it for me.

Its good to see we share in a common philosophy. I too would like to see Barn’s head explode.

[Ol'Skool]

Wow, I thought sportbike riders were all late teen, beer drinking, womanizing, wrench heads. Good to know theres some good ol fashioned nerds out there too. Im glad theres a variety.

[Snowman]

The psychosis that is riding motorcycles knows no social conventions. Just please don’t start any topics around world of warcraft, or we’ll be here all night.

[The Black Knight]

I'll submit these two videos as some interestingly done videos:
http://laughingsquid.com/star-wars-v...san-francisco/

http://laughingsquid.com/star-wars-vs-star-trek/

Oh and my .02 cents. Hands down the Empire to crush all in their path

and Snowman, you can count me in as pro Empire. I guess it's the tyrant in me and Imperial March pwn's all

[Nerves]

The second one is so funny. That's going on my facebook.

[Bebop]

I have to disagree with you there. The tag line for the Star Wars Movies was “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away”. Implying that we share the same universe thus the same laws of physics would apply to Empire, Federation and Borg alike.
Shea, I kind a figured you would be more sympathetic to the Empire than the Federation given your political views… I just don’t see you as the prime directive, environmentally friendly, moneyless, non-capitalistic, all for the collective good Federation type.

Yes we share the same laws of physics but that is not what I was talking about. Just compare the size difference between ships, that has nothing to do with the laws of physics.

Now as far as the social aspect of the two yes star trek is a socialist/communist model and that is one part I hate about it. Why would he be more sympathetic for the Empire though. Both are dictatorships with one person or party in control of everything. Now I haven't read the books, I have only seen the movies but from what I can tell the Empire is not over. Yes they killed the Emperor and the Sith Lords but the structure of the Empire and the senate still exists. It did not show them (the rebel alliance or the Senate) reorganizing the Empire back into a Republic. Hmm, I will try not to go too much further with this don't want to turn this into a political fisticuffs match.

BTW I like the movies BK!

[Shea]

Now as far as the social aspect of the two yes star trek is a socialist/communist model and that is one part I hate about it. Why would he be more sympathetic for the Empire though. Both are dictatorships with one person or party in control of everything.

Randall is 'partly' joking. Many in this country have a very limited view of the political spectrum. They believe that you are either with them or a communist (if you are a Republican) or a fascist (if you are a Democrat). Very little, if any, middle ground exists. Just disagree with Obama on anything and you will be called a Bush-loving nazi. Far easier to just call someone a name then actual debate an issue.

I disagree with the village, collective, socialistic ideas of the Federation. I do enjoy the spirit of exploration, discovery and betterment of self however that that world promotes. The Empire is just a heavy handed dictatorship that gets it's way through brute force, oppression and fear (just listen to Grand Moff Tarkin in the Ep4).

The Rebellion on the other hand is more my speed. Liberty and freedom for the entire galaxy, regardless of species (the Empire is very human-centric and enslaved the Wookies, among others). So I would choose them and fight oppression wherever I came across it. All for the Republic

[Horsman]

Wow, I thought sportbike riders were all late teen, beer drinking, womanizing, wrench heads. Good to know theres some good ol fashioned nerds out there too. Im glad theres a variety.

Well, I am... well, no longer in my teens, beer drinking if I can behave, Womanizing until I get kneed, Wrench headed if I only knew which end of the hammer to use.

[Bebop]

Randall is 'partly' joking. ...

Yep I know, this whole thread is just for fun.

The Rebellion on the other hand is more my speed. Liberty and freedom for the entire galaxy, regardless of species (the Empire is very human-centric and enslaved the Wookies, among others). So I would choose them and fight oppression wherever I came across it. All for the Republic

If the rebellion is for bringing back the Republic then I would sign up to fight on their side right along with ya. I just don't remember them ever saying exactly what they stood for other than to bring down the Empire and/or Emperor. I enjoy Star Trek for the technology side and Star Wars because it shows the struggle of future generations as it will more likely happen.

[Shea]

If the rebellion is for bringing back the Republic then I would sign up to fight on their side right along with ya. I just don't remember them ever saying exactly what they stood for other than to bring down the Empire and/or Emperor. I enjoy Star Trek for the technology side and Star Wars because it shows the struggle of future generations as it will more likely happen.

Yeah, that was their stated purpose, restore the Republic.

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[GixxerCarrie]

OMG..this is back again?

[Snowman]

Game on....