Photo Radar has a flaw

[modette99]

^^^ Did I say I know that...and its why I think other states are stupid in their laws. I go with the flow of TRAFFIC assuming there is traffic otherwise its the speed limit because I've seen CO cops wait in construction zones...rare to see that in MI. They typically wait after to get the people now making up the time and speeding 20+ over.

Still I would like to see a law that says no workers then its the normal speed limit. No reason to slow people down and create traffic problems when no workers are around.

[modette99]

If it's going to affect my credit I'd rather pay the $40. Or maybe that's just a ploy.

You can report anyone you want to collections. But will it be upheld if the person fights it? Most likely not. All you got to say is, show me proof that this is a debt I owe...I doubt a collections company will have the photo and there is no signed contract like say with a credit card, or a loan company. I would say the state has the right to send it to collections but it will never stick and I bet they would not take the liability to send it to collections.

Imagine you go to buy a new home, bank says sorry because of some amount reported to collections we can not give you the loan. You get that in writing from the bank to show proof it affected you (damages) and then sue the collection agency along with the reporting agency and maybe make some $$$$$.

Sorry that must of been a friend from Europe that borrowed the car, mail him a ticket is all I would say.

I'm interested to know how well the pictures are, I just find it hard to believe that it be well enough taken (without glare, blockage of some sort), that someone other then yourself would know its you. I guess if you see the signs and speed van you should turn your head away from the van...LOL Or run very tinted windows.

The Jury Duty notices come in regular mail...again not really a legitimate notice. They also use strong language on them.

Running a business and I need to report a deadbeat for an amount of money I need to mail them a signature confirmation letter. If they fail to sign it is still proof they received to the address that is known to them the notice. If they sign I get back the post card showing they signed. this is what a court needs to show proof they were notified of the debt before a storage unit can be foreclosed on. A Judge will not accept normal mail, or even Delivery Confirmation as proof as an attempt to notify. Another legal way is to have it served....its not MY FAULT the state needs to pay to have it served and I should not be held responsible for that amount when they should be serving people the notices in accordance with the law.

Too many people just pay the tickets...so they are not yet going to worry about the small fish that do nothing...its not WORTH their time. Now if everyone stopped paying or the majority then you would see laws changed...but thats never going to happen people feel they should just pay $40 and be done with it. Even if they toss on a $35 server fee thats only $75...its not going to break most peoples banks so why not just skip that first notice and see....I just don't think they will spend more money to try and serve you.

Now if the system goes more towards like CA and hundreds of dollars for a fine...they ticketing agency will have more interest in pay $40 even $80 to find you and serve you. My friends mother in CA stopped at a red, then proceeded to turn right and was ticketed $500 (for running a red), her stop was not full but was safe to go) they let you go online view the footage and decide for yourself. She just paid the fine as its cheaper then to fight it...if fines become $500 here trust me they will then serve you...but for $40...nope not going to happen.

[The Black Knight]

^^^ Did I say I know that...and its why I think other states are stupid in their laws. I go with the flow of TRAFFIC assuming there is traffic otherwise its the speed limit because I've seen CO cops wait in construction zones...rare to see that in MI. They typically wait after to get the people now making up the time and speeding 20+ over.

Still I would like to see a law that says no workers then its the normal speed limit. No reason to slow people down and create traffic problems when no workers are around.

Yeah but the reason for the constant "low speed" through a Construction Zone is to also protect equipment and other machinery as well. Lane shifts, barricades, jersey barriers, cones. They don't put up slower speed limits just to piss you off. They are up for a reason.

I don't really see what the big deal is with construction zones. If you don't like going through them, go around or just plan for the extra 5-10 minutes it will take to get through. I for one, am glad that the "construction zone" speeds are constant. Because there's more at stake in a slow zone that just where you need to be at any given moment.

[modette99]

Yeah but the reason for the constant "low speed" through a Construction Zone is to also protect equipment and other machinery as well. Lane shifts, barricades, jersey barriers, cones. They don't put up slower speed limits just to piss you off. They are up for a reason.

I don't really see what the big deal is with construction zones. If you don't like going through them, go around or just plan for the extra 5-10 minutes it will take to get through. I for one, am glad that the "construction zone" speeds are constant. Because there's more at stake in a slow zone that just where you need to be at any given moment.

Assuming you keep up to date with construction zones, I know I don't. So how will I know to leave 10 minutes early...I don't work thus I don't commute. Plus I assume you are kidding with going around, I don't know areas all over the country THAT well to just divert off and end up in some slum.

See in MI thats was all the talk, oh its a safety aspect for the drivers also to slow down...then they found no more wrecks happened when the law changed...wow what a surprise (not really to us that think it through). So the safety aspect is go slow if people are working otherwise nothing changed really and lane shifts are not a big deal. It worked there, I'm sure CO is not that different...people tend to all drive the same. No reason to slow to 35mph in the middle of the night with no one around.

I don't see the big deal...

[Swift]

Too bad it wasn't parked on the tracks.

[modette99]

Too bad 60pan did not place a huge for sale sign behind the van...LOL Especially if it was left unattended...LOL They come back and find 100 photos of Obama putting Americans to work sign...LOL

[Zenshu]

only photo ticket I ever got was in Texas and theirs actually say on the mailed notice that the photo ticket cannot be used as evidence in a court hearing...so if you choose not to pay them there is no evidence against you.

[Wrider]

Oh just to let y'all know... Back in July I got a photo ticket in Fort Collins. Was sent a citation, then a 2nd warning. Both were written in strong language and said I had the option to pay, to fight it, etc. Never responded to either, haven't heard from them since. Went in to renew my license, it's not on the records either.
YMMV

[asp_125]

I got one in the mail the other day, went on line to view the actual picture. On the bottom they show what the threshold to trigger the ticket is. For cars it said 10mph over, but for trucks it was 100mph over. So clearly the system is discriminating on the type of vehicle.

Haven't decided if I'll pay or not. 'Cause everyone knows all us asians look alike.

[Kevin]

I can personally attest to this. Someone at the city clued me into this when I called, worried because I had missed the payment date on a photo ticket. In the 4 years since then, I've completely ignored: 1 photo speeding ticket and 2 red light tickets. They just went away - no trouble, nothing on my record, nobody coming after me.

Good to know.

[Clovis]

Colorado Springs ended it's red light camera program (they only had a few camera sections to begin with). They cited the cost associated with having to supervise it.

[Xtremjeepn]

Disclaimer, I did not read the whole thread.


But thought you might find this interesting.

Let's just say I wasn't driving but was in the car. Doing 45mph in what is normally a 45mph zone. Also an area we normally don't drive in so did not know there was construction.

Our lane ends up a head for construction zone. Signal politely, no one wants to let us in. Clear spot up ahead, so the hammer is dropped to reach it quickly! (in a 530hp Porsche)

Just before getting back into our lane, FLASH FLASH, from the photo radar van!


You know they have a 25mph over limit on the photo vans right?!


Ticket arrived last week........for......wait for it........

35mph in a 25mph and $80 fine

A perfect 10mph over!

[ian22]

So, on a similar topic....I recently heard that you can avoid the tolls if you don't have a front license plate? Anyone? Can't the cameras on the E470 get a picture of your rear license plate?

[grim]

So, on a similar topic....I recently heard that you can avoid the tolls if you don't have a front license plate? Anyone? Can't the cameras on the E470 get a picture of your rear license plate?

That's bullshit and a chef salad the rear plate is what it takes a picture of. So whoever told you that is a moron.

Reason being some states do not require you to have a front plate so it would make sense to just always take a picture of the plate on the back as there is no state that says you don't have to have one there.

Those cameras are good i have tried being crafty on the bike and going to the far right hoping it wouldn't catch my plate (which is under the seat but still visible) and it still got me..i have a transponder now just cheaper that way.

[ian22]

Makes sense....it gets your bike plate even though its under your seat? I guess they'd have to be pretty good about it or they'd never make enough revenue to keep the toll road kept up.

[grim]

Makes sense....it gets your bike plate even though its under your seat? I guess they'd have to be pretty good about it or they'd never make enough revenue to keep the toll road kept up.

Yup still got the bill in the mail.

[TransNone13]

I'd like to see this http://www.gizmag.com/norte-photoblo...-cooler/20820/, turned into a photo blocking license plate.......

Pretty cool, it's an active form of photo detection and blocking. They have these on purses for paparazzi and a beer cooler for parties (see above).

[Clovis]

I run without a front plate (because I'm a rebel). I still get bills for E 470 in the mail.

I suppose you could put a strip of duct tape over your license plate for your duration on 470?

So, on a similar topic....I recently heard that you can avoid the tolls if you don't have a front license plate? Anyone? Can't the cameras on the E470 get a picture of your rear license plate?

[GoldenBoy]

Here is one answer. for the toll roads, might want to do the cost benefit analysis on this one first.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hide-MOTORCY...item19cc0528c0

If you are to lazy to open the link continue reading...............

.......for $158 you can own a license plate holder that with a flip of a switch will cover your plate "instantly cover" (small print reads: 3 sec) from cameras and prying eyes.

When I get back to Denver in March I will be making a spring load device that will actually hide your plate instantly. No, motors just mechanical parts, cheap and reliably.

I know if I had this plate shield I would have to stop and check to see if the shield when back up everytime I used it. Knowing my luck it would get stuck in the down position and then once I saw the cop behind me I would hit the swicth only to reveil my plate the the cop before I took off running. F.M.L!

[Clovis]

Just an FYI, in Colorado evading an officer is a 12 point offense by itself.

It's also a felony. Not to mention endangering the public.

In other words, running from the police has major repercussions if you're caught. If.

Source: http://www.dmv.org/co-colorado/point-system.php

Here is one answer. for the toll roads, might want to do the cost benefit analysis on this one first.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hide-MOTORCY...item19cc0528c0

If you are to lazy to open the link continue reading...............

.......for $158 you can own a license plate holder that with a flip of a switch will cover your plate "instantly cover" (small print reads: 3 sec) from cameras and prying eyes.

When I get back to Denver in March I will be making a spring load device that will actually hide your plate instantly. No, motors just mechanical parts, cheap and reliably.

I know if I had this plate shield I would have to stop and check to see if the shield when back up everytime I used it. Knowing my luck it would get stuck in the down position and then once I saw the cop behind me I would hit the swicth only to reveil my plate the the cop before I took off running. F.M.L!

[GoldenBoy]

Just an FYI, in Colorado evading an officer is a 12 point offense by itself.

It's also a felony. Not to mention endangering the public.

In other words, running from the police has major repercussions if you're caught. If.

Source: http://www.dmv.org/co-colorado/point-system.php

Your right but they gotta catch you first!............Not that I have ever try or anything but, if you do try to out run them remember police radios are overrated. In a city like Denver the reason they make the penalty so severe is because police protocol is to disengage from pursuit the moment the chase endangers the public or has the potential to cause harm to the public or the person be chased. Knowing Denver, If I am being chased on my bike and crash I can most likely sue the city for my crash......lol....but no really I wouldn't be surprised. I have heard of this crap in other places like Cali.

Just saying.....

But anyways use your small size and acceleration and speed to your advantage. Get out of eye site find a nice place to hide the bike and chill out for 4 to 5 hours. The police will put out a "Be on the look out for" message. so make sure your well hidden.........

Now that's living. Want to know your alive, out run the cops.