2012 Chevy Camaro ZL-1

[Ghost]

Since we had the Mustang thread, here's it's opposite--the $54k Camaro ZL-1



It even has one of these:




http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/

BARELY STREET LEGAL
When Engineers Dream
The 2012 Camaro ZL1 is the highest-performing production Camaro of all time. It is literally like nothing you've ever driven before. Built to be track-capable right from the showroom, and tested on some of the most rigorous tracks around the world, including the Nürburgring, where it clocked in at 7:41:23. This is the car every engineer dreams about building. Every racer dreams about tearing around the track. And every owner dreams about—a sports car that looks mean, but feels comfortable and docile enough for daily driving.
In 1969, 69 regular-production Camaros were installed with ZL1 all-aluminum racing engines. In that moment, those mythical 69 cars became the pinnacle in Camaro performance.

6.2L SC V8 Engine
The 580-horsepower, 556 lb.-ft. of torque, 6.2-liter supercharged V8 engine can be mated to a Tremec® 6-speed manual (MG9) or HydraMatic® 6L90 automatic transmission. This aluminum-block engine is based on GM's legendary small block V8 architecture and features an intercooled supercharger system and premium heat-resistant aluminum alloy cylinder heads.


Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.


Fwiw, I still think it's too big, too fat, and too heavy, and I wish all the "muscle cars" (Camaro/Mustang/Challenger) were about 3/4 scale, but...it's cool for what it is, and it'll probably do some mean burnouts and donuts...

[Rhino41]

Still american

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Since we had the Mustang thread, here's it's opposite--the $54k Camaro ZL-1



It even has one of these:




http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/

6.2L SC V8 Engine
The 580-horsepower, 556 lb.-ft. of torque, 6.2-liter supercharged V8 engine can be mated to a Tremec® 6-speed manual (MG9) or HydraMatic® 6L90 automatic transmission. This aluminum-block engine is based on GM's legendary small block V8 architecture and features an intercooled supercharger system and premium heat-resistant aluminum alloy cylinder heads.


Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.


Fwiw, I still think it's too big, too fat, and too heavy, and I wish all the "muscle cars" (Camaro/Mustang/Challenger) were about 3/4 scale, but...it's cool for what it is, and it'll probably do some mean burnouts and donuts...

Ignore it at your peril, I'll bet it will eat Subies for lunch.

I figured it was only a matter of time, and I'm sure it'll be relatively easy to bring it up to (or past) the 600+hp of the 'Vette engine. Yes, it and especially the Challenger are too heavy, especially compared to the MustWang, but, I'm sure this thing will RAWK!

[Keyser Soze]

Should be pretty quick....for an overweight pig. I doubt it competes with the Boss or GT500 tho. And damn that thing is fugly

[mastap07]

that thing is siick!

[Clovis]

Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.

Yep, no sex in car advertising here!

I love go-kart like handling in the corners but there's just something about raw acceleration from a stand still that makes me happy inside.

[Ghost]

Still american

Made in Canada

Ignore it at your peril, I'll bet it will eat Subies for lunch.

I figured it was only a matter of time, and I'm sure it'll be relatively easy to bring it up to (or past) the 600+hp of the 'Vette engine. Yes, it and especially the Challenger are too heavy, especially compared to the MustWang, but, I'm sure this thing will RAWK!

Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.

Again, if it wasn't so damn big and heavy I'd be excited. My 4th Gen was heavy and it was something like 600-800lbs lighter than this thing.

I love go-kart like handling in the corners but there's just something about raw acceleration from a stand still that makes me happy inside.

I admit that I love the odd bout of "hooliganry", big fatty burnouts, donuts, powerslides, "drifting", general fucking around--the STI is great, but it's no hooligan.

[Clovis]

Made in Canada
Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...

The Subaru WRX! The car of choice for the card carrying liberal racer... oh wait, shit...

[Canuck]

Should be pretty quick....for an overweight pig. I doubt it competes with the Boss or GT500 tho. And damn that thing is fugly

Yep.

[Rhino41]

"MADE IN CANADA"


Who is the car made for?

[Ghost]

"MADE IN CANADA"


Who is the car made for?

By demographics?

Mostly white males in their 50s with a median income of $80k

[Rhino41]

Where would they be living?

[Keyser Soze]

Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.

Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?


I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle. Shit, just look up griggs racing. As far as snow and gravel....it's a Camaro with a long history of RoadRacing...not WRC. I don't think anyone is going into the dealer thinking it'll do good in the snow. 2 totally different animals. The WRX is a fantastic little car, but it's not the best thing ever to have graced the world of motorport, like all the owners think

I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better

[Clovis]

You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!

Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?


I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle. Shit, just look up griggs racing. As far as snow and gravel....it's a Camaro with a long history of RoadRacing...not WRC. I don't think anyone is going into the dealer thinking it'll do good in the snow. 2 totally different animals. The WRX is a fantastic little car, but it's not the best thing ever to have graced the world of motorport, like all the owners think

I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Made in Canada
Well, it IS the 51st state......


Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...
I'll concede on the snow or gravel, and probably rain as well, but don't discount it in the canyons simply because it's RWD. There are plenty of RWD cars that will eat a Subie or Evo on track, like my buddy's Z06.

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.
Yep, 600+hp EASY.

Again, if it wasn't so damn big and heavy I'd be excited. My 4th Gen was heavy and it was something like 600-800lbs lighter than this thing.
Yeah, they could lighten it up, but realize that it's always going to have to be stiffer than a Subie because of the close to 100% increase in torque.

I admit that I love the odd bout of "hooliganry", big fatty burnouts, donuts, powerslides, "drifting", general fucking around--the STI is great, but it's no hooligan.

You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........

[Clovis]

Also too young to remember standing in lines over a block long just to buy gas...

You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........

[Rhino41]

Is "muscle-care era" code for heavy, drum breaks, auto-trans, poor handling cars that come from the US?

[Keyser Soze]

You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!

36k for an STi is insane to me. Great little cars, but that's a ton of money for hot hatch. 60k for the Camaro is stupid too...although that LSA is one hell of a motor capable of A LOT more power. Curious to see what Livernois does with it.

[Ghost]

Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?

No, saying the ZL1 is close to 600 as is, a few mods and it's there.

I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle.

The problem with American RWD is that the manufacturers fear lawsuits, so most are saddled with ponderous understeer, which really kills the canyon fun. You can overcome it with throttle, but most inexperienced drivers will overdo it and loop the car. My N/A AWD Impreza 2.5 RS was way more fun in the canyons than my Z28 ever was (though I still ran the Z28 for the hell of it), the RS was light and flickable even when down massively on power. The Z28 had to be muscled and goaded to run canyons, heavy understeer then oversteer, then back to understeer for the next entry, all the while the brakes struggling with (for mine) 3500lbs of mass.

Camaros are just too fat, too heavy, and while they once raced in Trans-Am and SCCA in the 60s, they're not known for handling prowess--they're stoplight bullies and drag queens. Both of which this one should do well at, the idea that this is a "track day" car...I'm not buying it.

The Boss 302 LS is more of a track day car, this...I'm not so sure.

CM made the initial comparison to the Subies, and all I'm saying is that even an idiot can go faster in a WRX than they could in a ZL1 (not that I'm condoning going fast on public roads).

I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better

I think this could have been amazing, but it's just...not quite there.

You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!

I assume the ZL1 will fulfill its designers main purpose--Endless drunken burnouts outside Hooters for Viagra-popping 55yr olds trying to relive the lost "glory days" of heavy, slow cars that they remember being faster than they actually were...

You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........

Fat, heavy, slow, poor-handling, what are we missing?

[Clovis]

I agree, that's why I opted for a WRX and not the STi. I couldn't see justifying $10,000 more for 40 more HP, beefer suspension and a 6spd (all though nearly bullet proof) versus 5spd transmission.

My driving is 99% commuting/errands and 1% hooligan.

36k for an STi is insane to me. Great little cars, but that's a ton of money for hot hatch. 60k for the Camaro is stupid too...although that LSA is one hell of a motor capable of A LOT more power. Curious to see what Livernois does with it.

[Clovis]

Ghost... I love it when we agree. Let's not fight anymore baby! No more politicial threads... awww come here!

Remember, remember the climb up Berthoud Pass...

(You were hauling ass, I was having a hard time catching up!)

I assume the ZL1 will fulfill its designers main purpose--Endless drunken burnouts outside Hooters for Viagra-popping 55yr olds trying to relive the lost "glory days" of heavy, slow cars that they remember being faster than they actually were...



Fat, heavy, slow, poor-handling, what are we missing?

[Ghost]

I agree, that's why I opted for a WRX and not the STi. I couldn't see justifying $10,000 more for 40 more HP, beefer suspension and a 6spd (all though nearly bullet proof) versus 5spd transmission.

My driving is 99% commuting/errands and 1% hooligan.

Track days.

Brembos alone make the STI worth the extra $$, the 6mt can take abuse all day long, and the DCCD (and its related sensors) maximize every ounce of grip (making 3 diffs in all), the stiffer/lower suspension, the HIDs are fantastic for nights in the canyons, for $10k I think the little bits all make the STI "worth it".

[Ghost]

Ghost... I love it when we agree. Let's not fight anymore baby! No more politicial threads... awww come here!

Remember, remember the climb up Berthoud Pass...

(You were hauling ass, I was having a hard time catching up!)

Lol, We'll always have Paris! (er, Berthoud!)


Opposites attract, guess that's why I still love you, Right-wing, goose-stepping Nazi that you are.

[asp_125]

Every middle-aged balding guy wants a Hot Wheels in his garage.. so they can re-live their glory days in high school, and cruise LoDo. They are the car equivalents of Harleys.

The hooligan potential of one is endless. I'll take one in hugger orange, and throw in an extra set of rear tires while you're at it.