I was just looking at the forum and it occured to me that there are sections for the girls and old folks. I am neither of these and being a young guy would normally work great but seeing as I have two little kids it does make it quite diffucult to go on the rides everyone else tends to work out. I was thinking about perhaps a new thread for those who have kids so we can work things out perhaps making more opportunity for us to ride since we tend not to be able to ride as long ect., and since we dont want to ruin rides for others we could make our own rides for us folks who dont have as long due to kids and work out our own routes ect. for our riding buddies, ie pick up and drop offs as part of riding route. or more family oriented rides with a follow along vehicles filled with wives and kids and family stops to include them in our enjoyment.