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My Fiero was an early model (1984 I think) and even with it's handling ills, it was still fun to drive. Gotta give Aaron props on the build, even tho it's not the platform I would choose. On the warm-up thing, doubtful it matters with above freezing temps, and I don't really know if it matters with below freezing temps, but I gotta idle a while when it's cold outside. And I mean the truck....my FZR won't even start when it's below freezing. DRZ always starts easy and warms quickly, no matter the temp. Gotta love a thumper!
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Nice fiero Aaron! Like FZR said, not the platform I would have chosen, but a cool build none the less.
As for warming up, I usually get mine to where it will idle with RPMs held about 2K, and then rider nicely till the temp shows at least 140 (handily that's till about the time I am out of my neighborhood).
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Thats a fuckin gorgeous Fiero, I have ALWAYS loved those, wanted to get a Fiero GT as my first car when I was 16 but got a Nissan 300ZX twin turbo instead
Anyways as for warming up the bike, I get underconfident in tire warming. I bought brand new Michellin Pilot Road 2 at fay Myers in May and when I start riding I dont know how hard to push it in a lean (or even lean at all) wondering how long ti should take to warm them so I don't slide out.
Example: I live at hampden/Tower and it is about 4 miles from there (straight road hampden) to the interchange of the Parker/225 area. I am not leaning to the sides until that time. Would a basic 4 miles of straight unleaded driving to get there be enough to heat them so that i can make the Parker/225 inetrchange lean at some decent speed or to warm them up do you have to also be leaning to the sides to get them warmed. Otherwise I would be simply guessing that the warmth the middle fo the tire gets from the 4 straiht miles of riding MAY warm the rest of the tire as well? I am clueless when it comes to warmth and how it travels and what does not get to the outside.
opinions and help please! My wuuestions pertain to tire warming which I guess is part of the warming up process eh!
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Straight line riding will warm up the rest of the tire .. in time. Flexing the sidewalls on each revolution of the tire will heat up the carcass and transfer heat to the sides of the tire. Bear in mind the effects are greatly reduced on a cold day, in winter for example. The front tire is exposed to all that cold wind and might not even get up to optimum temperature. 4 miles of riding is sufficient to warm most street compounds - unlike race rubber that works best with tire warmers. That's why running race takeoffs is such a risky proposition for unfamiliar noobs; you have little traction until they reach temperature.
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Conduction is a far greater force that convection, FYI. You lose more heat through contact with the ground than via air cooling. The rear tire won't have the air hitting it, but also has a larger contact patch with the ground to conduct the heat away.
Street compounds are designed to operate in a wide range of temps common to that environment however, and usually don't need much extra heating if any. Just go ride.
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Thanks guys! I will just hit those freeway curves and place confidence in the tires that they wont slip. Im not talking about blazing around the curve, but if any of you know what 2 curves I refer to (where hampden ends and turns right into parker, and the overpass of Parker that gets onto 225 southbound) I will just trust the tires and go. I get affraid of a good lean thinking the tires are not warmed up but sounds like they should be fine
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What about a carb bike? Like the ninja 250R 2008 > year models are. They are really cold blooded animals and unless you are riding on throttle open, the bike is not that responsive from a standstill.?
Suggestions?
Check your manual choke, perhaps keep it open or partly open for a while. My KLX250 is similarly cold blooded. I have to run with the choke open for a long time.
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You bring up a great point, a lot of carbureted applications do not run well when cold. I've personally crashed a bike because of this. Twisted the throttle, engine choked, I fell forward, then it came on hard and when I got flung back lost control. Besides the other's advice, which is good (Choke and jetting), I would let it warm up until it runs well, typically won't be more than a couple minutes at most. Even though oil temperature is more important in general, improper fueling can put you in danger, so that becomes more important than engine life.
Choke on, start it up while you're putting on your helmet, jacket, and gloves. By then it would have warmed up enough to a nice idle. Keep the choke on for the first few blocks, more if it's colder.
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I leave the throttle wide open for a solid 5 minutes until I hear a pop. Then I go ride.
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The ancient F3 is as cold-blooded an animal as I've seen.
I turn the Starter Enrichment Valve on (essentially a choke) and start without opening the throttle. It will run for about 20 seconds this way unless I turn the idle knob in a half-turn or so to keep the bike at 1400 rpm. I can take off and ride, turning the SER valve off and the engine never misses a beat. Often times during the winter months the temp never comes up to anything like a normal range.
My mom had the first gen fiero. Love da spkrs in the headrest. But it always had issues mechanically.